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Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    @datarama 3: "Why not both?"

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    #4

    @jwz She then thought it over, and remarked that if she was "CEO of an AI cult" (her choice of words), she'd look for employees who looked like they weren't doing well and seemed to have a foot out of the door already. Then she'd discreetly offer them 20 million dollars in cash to leave with a public story about how the tech is so awesome it's soon going to become a science fiction machine overlord.

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

      Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

      Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

      https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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      #5

      @jwz AI sandbox engineer: okay I pulled the parking brake just like you asked.

      *drops on desk* now what?

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

        Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

        Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

        https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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        #6

        @jwz they literally fed it training data from competitive hacking contests. All the behaviours are common tactics. So it wasn't even inventive.

        If an individual hacked these companies, they'd be arrested. The only real question is, why aren't AI companies legally responsible for the AIs they are prompting?

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        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

          Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

          Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

          Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

          https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

          lucaas@fuckaas.spaceL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @jwz @GayDeceiver if only I had no ethics, I could use AI to take all the dollars, too!

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

            Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

            Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

            https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

            lisp1984@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @jwz i left my car in gear and used parking brake. 1st gear will hold the car.

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            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

              Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

              Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

              Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

              https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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              #9

              @jwz fsck insurance companies like allstate.

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              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                #10

                @jwz Wild in the Streets

                A 12 year old will hack into fossil fuels and usurp energy markets, while buying out tech bros shareholdings. But you'll only be able to reemerge from your bunkers, if you can game with them.

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                  Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                  Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                  https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                  #11

                  @jwz

                  A rogue car you say?? How can I invest in your self-driving tech startup? 🤑

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                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                    @jwz A while ago, a guy from Anthropic quit over fears that he was working on something that would kill all humans, and it made headlines that the other Anthropic guys also thought that. One of them even said that he believed that the chance of AI eradicating human life within the decade was "about 10%".

                    So my 70-year-old mum came over for a visit, and she had some very concerned questions to her computer scientist son. They were:

                    1. "Where do they get those percentages from? Do they just make them up, or do you think they have their chatbot make them up?"
                    2. "How can the lead researcher for Anthropic be someone who looks like his biggest worry should be whether his parents have packed his school lunch?"
                    3. "Are the staff at Anthropic swindlers, or are they actually mentally ill?"

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                    #12

                    @datarama @jwz latest interview from openai dude got like « I think it’s okay to have bad things happening if it means some good things can happen then »

                    It’s
                    A
                    Cult

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                    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                      @jwz A while ago, a guy from Anthropic quit over fears that he was working on something that would kill all humans, and it made headlines that the other Anthropic guys also thought that. One of them even said that he believed that the chance of AI eradicating human life within the decade was "about 10%".

                      So my 70-year-old mum came over for a visit, and she had some very concerned questions to her computer scientist son. They were:

                      1. "Where do they get those percentages from? Do they just make them up, or do you think they have their chatbot make them up?"
                      2. "How can the lead researcher for Anthropic be someone who looks like his biggest worry should be whether his parents have packed his school lunch?"
                      3. "Are the staff at Anthropic swindlers, or are they actually mentally ill?"

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                      #13

                      @datarama Your mum has a far better appreciation of AI than any government politician in Australia.

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                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                        Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                        Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                        Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                        https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                        #14

                        @jwz In my little town we are at the forefront of autonomous vehicle AI research.

                        We have a servo/truckers lounge and it sits at the top of a hill. We've had one rogue truck and one rogue bus do exactly this, parked with the handbrake left off, rolling down the driveway, crossing the highway and crashing, across the last year.

                        The truck crashed into a house and stopped at the foot of an elderly couple's bed. But for some reason, Softbank isn't returning my calls

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                          Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                          Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                          https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                          #15

                          @jwz you misspelled 'billion'

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                          • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                            @jwz She then thought it over, and remarked that if she was "CEO of an AI cult" (her choice of words), she'd look for employees who looked like they weren't doing well and seemed to have a foot out of the door already. Then she'd discreetly offer them 20 million dollars in cash to leave with a public story about how the tech is so awesome it's soon going to become a science fiction machine overlord.

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                            #16

                            @datarama @jwz you both have the smartest mums (or moms - I can't easily check which spelling you used while replying on my phone).

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                            • guigsy@mstdn.socialG guigsy@mstdn.social

                              @jwz they literally fed it training data from competitive hacking contests. All the behaviours are common tactics. So it wasn't even inventive.

                              If an individual hacked these companies, they'd be arrested. The only real question is, why aren't AI companies legally responsible for the AIs they are prompting?

                              oldhaapi@mastodon.worldO This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #17

                              @guigsy
                              Well, that's kind of meta - Ai automating script kiddies' hacking scripts.
                              @jwz

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                              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                                Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                                Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                                https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

                                zuthal@floofy.techZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #18

                                @jwz With the added detail that you also built your own car and decided to test its faulty parking brake on a public road

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                                • rotopenguin@mastodon.socialR rotopenguin@mastodon.social

                                  @jwz AI sandbox engineer: okay I pulled the parking brake just like you asked.

                                  *drops on desk* now what?

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                                  #19

                                  @rotopenguin @jwz

                                  Ah! There's the problem.
                                  That parking brake is designed for a hand which has only 4 fingers and 1 opposed thumb, not an AI-enhanced hand with a variable-but-greater-than-4 number of extensible fingers.

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                                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                    Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                                    Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                                    Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                                    https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                                    #20

                                    @jwz This is just too real. Way too apt of an explanation.

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                                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                      Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                                      Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                                      Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                                      https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                                      #21

                                      @jwz I've read through a few of these cases, mostly it seems like they are completely inept at building sandboxes.

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                                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                        Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                                        Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                                        Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                                        https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                                        #22

                                        @jwz Why are we training #ai with the Internet (because its faster is not a good answer)? How can we possibly expect good outcomes with they are weaned on mostly garbage and lies? Do you plop your kid at the tv with the remote and 20 years later set them loose on society saying 'be good'? I became so curious about that I decided to ask. This is the answer I got:

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                                        • crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.partyC crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.party

                                          @jwz Why are we training #ai with the Internet (because its faster is not a good answer)? How can we possibly expect good outcomes with they are weaned on mostly garbage and lies? Do you plop your kid at the tv with the remote and 20 years later set them loose on society saying 'be good'? I became so curious about that I decided to ask. This is the answer I got:

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                                          #23

                                          @Crystal_Fish_Caves @jwz

                                          You've just described parenting in the United States fairly accurately. Maybe swap tee vee for iPad to make it more timely?

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