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  3. Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

    If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

    Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

    That's veganism, you're welcome.
    https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

    jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    jaystephens@mastodon.social
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    #10

    @jwz
    I get it, but even if I changed jobs the likelihood of that other job morphing to include AI use is high, so I'm not gonna feel _too_ guilty about doing the task I'm assigned, when it's sometimes literally "get me a CoPilot summary of X in format Y".

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

      If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

      Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

      That's veganism, you're welcome.
      https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

      tsvga@ni.hil.istT This user is from outside of this forum
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      tsvga@ni.hil.ist
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      #11

      @jwz as an actual vegan I've encountered a depressingly high number of vegans who support LLMs because "at least they're not as bad as beef"

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

        If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

        Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

        That's veganism, you're welcome.
        https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

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        frutigeraero00@mastodon.social
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        #12

        @jwz Tech bros are so desperate they are just knocking off doors on every ideology or hastagh they see to sell ai like enciclopedia sellers 😂

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        • jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ jaystephens@mastodon.social

          @jwz
          I get it, but even if I changed jobs the likelihood of that other job morphing to include AI use is high, so I'm not gonna feel _too_ guilty about doing the task I'm assigned, when it's sometimes literally "get me a CoPilot summary of X in format Y".

          desantis@mastodon.bida.imD This user is from outside of this forum
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          desantis@mastodon.bida.im
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          #13

          @jaystephens @jwz > "get me a CoPilot summary of X in format Y" 🤣 Why can't the person who asked for this do it _themselves_?!?! The amount of laziness and sheer objection to you know, doing this, is fucking ridiculous!

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

            If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

            Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

            That's veganism, you're welcome.
            https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

            quinn@social.circl.luQ This user is from outside of this forum
            quinn@social.circl.luQ This user is from outside of this forum
            quinn@social.circl.lu
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #14

            @jwz climate changing info hazard polluting fascism machines

            But I can't really get any of my coding friends to get their heads out of the sand.

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            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

              Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

              If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

              Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

              That's veganism, you're welcome.
              https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

              pelle@veganism.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
              pelle@veganism.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
              pelle@veganism.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #15

              @jwz
              they're clearly AI #flexitarian or AI #welfarist.

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              • tsvga@ni.hil.istT tsvga@ni.hil.ist

                @jwz as an actual vegan I've encountered a depressingly high number of vegans who support LLMs because "at least they're not as bad as beef"

                pelle@veganism.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                pelle@veganism.social
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                #16

                @tsvga
                that may be true environmentally but it disregards the damage to our brains and to our trust and integrity.

                it's so depressing that those speaking up for #AnimalLiberation have started pushing #AIslop, because truthfulnes is so important.

                we will no longer be able to push back on »those #slaughterhouse videos are fake« if videos, photos and texts we're sharing are #disinfo slop half the time.

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

                  If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

                  Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

                  That's veganism, you're welcome.
                  https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

                  qgustavor@urusai.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
                  qgustavor@urusai.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
                  qgustavor@urusai.social
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                  #17

                  @jwz I'm impressed no one mentioned the "I use AI but only on my hardware so it's ethical" folks.

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                  • qgustavor@urusai.socialQ qgustavor@urusai.social

                    @jwz I'm impressed no one mentioned the "I use AI but only on my hardware so it's ethical" folks.

                    jwz@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    jwz@mastodon.social
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                    #18

                    @qgustavor Proposal to call those "AI Tradwives".

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                    • desantis@mastodon.bida.imD desantis@mastodon.bida.im

                      @jaystephens @jwz > "get me a CoPilot summary of X in format Y" 🤣 Why can't the person who asked for this do it _themselves_?!?! The amount of laziness and sheer objection to you know, doing this, is fucking ridiculous!

                      jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      jaystephens@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #19

                      @desantis @jwz
                      The honest answer?
                      Because the boss who is asking needs to tick off the KPI marked "evidence of AI adoption by my team".

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                      • jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ jaystephens@mastodon.social

                        @desantis @jwz
                        The honest answer?
                        Because the boss who is asking needs to tick off the KPI marked "evidence of AI adoption by my team".

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                        desantis@mastodon.bida.im
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                        #20

                        @jaystephens @jwz Fucking figures… Never thought of it that way. This forced feeding of shite technology is priceless when even people closer to the C suite don’t even want to use it 🤣🚮

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                        • desantis@mastodon.bida.imD desantis@mastodon.bida.im

                          @jaystephens @jwz Fucking figures… Never thought of it that way. This forced feeding of shite technology is priceless when even people closer to the C suite don’t even want to use it 🤣🚮

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                          jaystephens@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #21

                          @desantis @jwz
                          Yeah there's a combo of cognitive dissonance and the fact that AI is genuinely good at speed running David Graeber bullshit jobs, that is leading to some very weird places...

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                          • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                            @tsvga
                            that may be true environmentally but it disregards the damage to our brains and to our trust and integrity.

                            it's so depressing that those speaking up for #AnimalLiberation have started pushing #AIslop, because truthfulnes is so important.

                            we will no longer be able to push back on »those #slaughterhouse videos are fake« if videos, photos and texts we're sharing are #disinfo slop half the time.

                            recalcitrant@autonomous.zoneR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            recalcitrant@autonomous.zone
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                            #22

                            @pelle @tsvga animal agriculture and AI data centers are both parts of the exploitative global capitalist model! We have to resist both!!

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                            • jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ jaystephens@mastodon.social

                              @desantis @jwz
                              Yeah there's a combo of cognitive dissonance and the fact that AI is genuinely good at speed running David Graeber bullshit jobs, that is leading to some very weird places...

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                              desantis@mastodon.bida.im
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                              #23

                              @jaystephens @jwz And don’t forget the ole favorite, one can totally blame AI for shitty work, and sleep well at night knowing they contributed nothing. It’s mind blowing. Oh well, let’s let these people dumb themselves down to the point where they forget how reproduction works and have to ask chatgpt….

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                              • recalcitrant@autonomous.zoneR recalcitrant@autonomous.zone

                                @pelle @tsvga animal agriculture and AI data centers are both parts of the exploitative global capitalist model! We have to resist both!!

                                tsvga@ni.hil.istT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                tsvga@ni.hil.ist
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                                #24

                                @Recalcitrant @pelle we need to bring back the Luddites tbh

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                                • desantis@mastodon.bida.imD desantis@mastodon.bida.im

                                  @jaystephens @jwz And don’t forget the ole favorite, one can totally blame AI for shitty work, and sleep well at night knowing they contributed nothing. It’s mind blowing. Oh well, let’s let these people dumb themselves down to the point where they forget how reproduction works and have to ask chatgpt….

                                  jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  jaystephens@mastodon.social
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                                  #25

                                  @desantis @jwz
                                  Totally.
                                  Middle management was already basically an exercise in iterated butt-covering and accountability-diversion... They were always gonna be all over a machine to automate the process of fucking things up an exactly industry-standard amount which they can call "standard practice".
                                  😩

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                                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                    Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

                                    If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

                                    Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

                                    That's veganism, you're welcome.
                                    https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

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                                    sea1am@mastodon.social
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                                    #26

                                    @jwz

                                    Duckduckgo has an easy to find toggle to keep the AI function off when u search.

                                    Anyone still using google for whatever reason can scroll over to News, or Web search and it won't automatically dump AI blurbs for you.

                                    My understanding of this is superficial, feel free to correct me, anyone.

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                                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                      Some asshat out here calling themselves an "ethical AI vegan" because they only use corporate AI tools in "uwu smol" ways, and, I dunno, I guess they do a land acknowledgment before they boil a lake or whatever.

                                      If anyone is an "AI vegan" it's me -- I don't use these tools at all, ever, because they are unethical. Telling me that they are delicious is not going to make them ethical.

                                      Also, I will endlessly berate you about your use.

                                      That's veganism, you're welcome.
                                      https://jwz.org/b/yk6V

                                      thechris@norden.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #27

                                      @jwz I'm an AItheist myself - I don't believe all those religious "AI" cult bros that their shit works

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                                      • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                                        @jwz I'm an AItheist myself - I don't believe all those religious "AI" cult bros that their shit works

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                                        jwz@mastodon.social
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                                        #28

                                        @thechris Once again. It DOES NOT MATTER whether it works. Even if it worked great, it would still be a tool of fascism destroying the environment with its boot on the neck of the working class and human creativity, and using it would *still* make you a complicit and selfish asshole.

                                        That being said, it doesn't work. Great. Still not the main issue here.

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