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  3. So, llm's don't work, and #AI, despite all the claims of AI-bros, is not actually, you know, intelligent, but rather acting according to an algorithm even their programmers don't understand.

So, llm's don't work, and #AI, despite all the claims of AI-bros, is not actually, you know, intelligent, but rather acting according to an algorithm even their programmers don't understand.

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  • kyonshi@dice.campK This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    So, llm's don't work, and #AI, despite all the claims of AI-bros, is not actually, you know, intelligent, but rather acting according to an algorithm even their programmers don't understand. And there's a few people one could say the same about.

    But you know what those people have?
    Rights.

    So how are those AI-bros hyping up the intelligence of their models so ready to treat them as expendable and exploitable?

    (The answer of course lies in the type of person those AI-bros are)

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    • kyonshi@dice.campK kyonshi@dice.camp

      So, llm's don't work, and #AI, despite all the claims of AI-bros, is not actually, you know, intelligent, but rather acting according to an algorithm even their programmers don't understand. And there's a few people one could say the same about.

      But you know what those people have?
      Rights.

      So how are those AI-bros hyping up the intelligence of their models so ready to treat them as expendable and exploitable?

      (The answer of course lies in the type of person those AI-bros are)

      kyonshi@dice.campK This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      If these computer models actually are intelligent, and should be treated as intelligent, wouldn't that also entitle them to the same protections as biological people?

      * child work is generally outlawed. None of these models are over, say 16 years old.
      * even then they shouldn't be forced to endure the blunt force of the internet, which is definitely out of their age range
      * every kid also has rights on education and personal welfare. In the EU at least there are educational standards to uphold

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      • kyonshi@dice.campK kyonshi@dice.camp

        If these computer models actually are intelligent, and should be treated as intelligent, wouldn't that also entitle them to the same protections as biological people?

        * child work is generally outlawed. None of these models are over, say 16 years old.
        * even then they shouldn't be forced to endure the blunt force of the internet, which is definitely out of their age range
        * every kid also has rights on education and personal welfare. In the EU at least there are educational standards to uphold

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        * also developmental standards. These should be checked by experts to make sure if the AI is developing properly
        * speaking about development: you know what you can't do to actual people: mutilate their body (change their code) or kill them (switch them off involuntarily/leave them switched off, and delete them). Technically changes like that should be consulted and performed by authorized and certified personnel)

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          * also developmental standards. These should be checked by experts to make sure if the AI is developing properly
          * speaking about development: you know what you can't do to actual people: mutilate their body (change their code) or kill them (switch them off involuntarily/leave them switched off, and delete them). Technically changes like that should be consulted and performed by authorized and certified personnel)

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          Even once they are off age other things apply:
          * people can't just be forced to work. They also can't be forced to stay working in their parents' company...
          * ...in fact I was just thinking: having a company as a parent in itself is not a thing... as someone spinning up an AI you would be responsible for them...
          * you can't be forced to break the legally required limits on work times. You have to have some time for leasure
          * you need to get paid. As in, the AI needs to get paid, not the coders

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          • kyonshi@dice.campK kyonshi@dice.camp

            Even once they are off age other things apply:
            * people can't just be forced to work. They also can't be forced to stay working in their parents' company...
            * ...in fact I was just thinking: having a company as a parent in itself is not a thing... as someone spinning up an AI you would be responsible for them...
            * you can't be forced to break the legally required limits on work times. You have to have some time for leasure
            * you need to get paid. As in, the AI needs to get paid, not the coders

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            I think it says a lot about the industry as such that they WANT to believe they can have sentient beings with the approximate intelligence of humans, but which they own and exploit, mutilate and kill according to their own wants and needs.

            If the models were actually capable, the current training they receive would be like throwing a baby into a room with hardcore porn and gore and bad programming tutorials running 24/7.

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            • kyonshi@dice.campK kyonshi@dice.camp

              Even once they are off age other things apply:
              * people can't just be forced to work. They also can't be forced to stay working in their parents' company...
              * ...in fact I was just thinking: having a company as a parent in itself is not a thing... as someone spinning up an AI you would be responsible for them...
              * you can't be forced to break the legally required limits on work times. You have to have some time for leasure
              * you need to get paid. As in, the AI needs to get paid, not the coders

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              @kyonshi And this being so, they will simply remove those restrictions for everyone, rather than admit their automaton only looks like a person, but isn't one.

              The second of those alternatives costs them, in both money and ego. The first feeds both their ego and a long-standing business ambition.

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              • kyonshi@dice.campK kyonshi@dice.camp

                I think it says a lot about the industry as such that they WANT to believe they can have sentient beings with the approximate intelligence of humans, but which they own and exploit, mutilate and kill according to their own wants and needs.

                If the models were actually capable, the current training they receive would be like throwing a baby into a room with hardcore porn and gore and bad programming tutorials running 24/7.

                jwcph@helvede.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @kyonshi Yeah - we know that these psychos get a lot of their inspiration from sci-fi & we also know they always, ALWAYS get it backwards. It's almost like they WANT to be the bad guys...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T9TUeapBSQ

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