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  3. HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

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  • iorsh@kishkush.netI This user is from outside of this forum
    iorsh@kishkush.netI This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @dysfun @behdad
    I understand your sentiment, but replacing with what? Uniscribe?

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    • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

      HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

      I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

      https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

      theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
      theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
      theorangetheme@en.osm.town
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      #4

      @behdad I do believe that font rendering was possible before the society-destroying IP-laundering slop machine, actually. So incredibly disappointed in HarfBuzz.

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      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

        HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

        I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

        https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

        simon@tutut.delire.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
        simon@tutut.delire.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
        simon@tutut.delire.party
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        #5

        @behdad this is extremely disappointing, for both technical and political reasons

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        • iorsh@kishkush.netI iorsh@kishkush.net

          @dysfun @behdad
          I understand your sentiment, but replacing with what? Uniscribe?

          mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
          mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
          mcc@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #6

          @iorsh @dysfun @behdad My preference at this point would be to go back to Harfbuzz 12, fork from there, and resume requiring contributors to agree to a DCO that affirms they did not use LLMs

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          • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

            HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

            I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

            https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

            bachus@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
            bachus@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
            bachus@mastodon.social
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            #7

            @behdad "I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible."

            Bull-fucking-shit

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            • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

              HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

              I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

              https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

              liquor_american@universeodon.comL This user is from outside of this forum
              liquor_american@universeodon.comL This user is from outside of this forum
              liquor_american@universeodon.com
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              #8

              @behdad Well that's an own-goal isn't it

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              • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
                gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
                gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #9

                @behdad 🙁

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                • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                  HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                  I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                  https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                  jerojasro@col.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  jerojasro@col.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  jerojasro@col.social
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                  #10

                  @behdad I'm curious: how do you validate the output from the LLMs?

                  do you review it as you would a regular PR?

                  are there automated tests, and who/how are they written?

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                  • jerojasro@col.socialJ jerojasro@col.social

                    @behdad I'm curious: how do you validate the output from the LLMs?

                    do you review it as you would a regular PR?

                    are there automated tests, and who/how are they written?

                    mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                    mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #11

                    @jerojasro @behdad What are your plans if it is someday discovered your LLM(s) replicated a non-trivial section of code from the training data, and the replicated code in question turns out to have a stronger-than-MIT license encumbrance (for example it could be GPL)?

                    (LLMs have so far lived a legally charmed life, but this may not be the case in all jurisdictions forever.)

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                    • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                      HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                      I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                      https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                      lhp@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                      lhp@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                      lhp@mastodon.social
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                      #12

                      @behdad I am not interested in any features that aren't possible without LLMs. Eww and yikes.

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                      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                        HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                        I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                        https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                        chx@chx.contactC This user is from outside of this forum
                        chx@chx.contactC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #13

                        @behdad by including LLM output, you have made one of the best open source libraries unusable from at least ethical, legal and software security angles. More angles are possible, these are the ones that come to mind immediately.

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                        • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                          HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                          I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                          https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                          jackemled@furry.engineerJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          jackemled@furry.engineerJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          jackemled@furry.engineer
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                          #14

                          @behdad Sad to see you go. Are there any recommended drop in replacements?

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                          • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                            HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                            I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                            https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                            linear@nya.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                            linear@nya.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                            linear@nya.social
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                            #15
                            @behdad@typo.social cool, looks like i'll be permanently locking harfbuzz's version in my distro to the previous version, and looking for AI-free forks
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                            • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                              HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                              I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                              https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                              lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
                              lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
                              lumi@snug.moe
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                              #16

                              @behdad yikes, that's disgusting

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                              • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                @dysfun Care to elaborate?

                                bnlandor@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #17

                                @behdad @dysfun Is that a rhetorical question?

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                                • aburka@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  aburka@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  aburka@hachyderm.io
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                                  #18

                                  @dysfun @behdad with what?

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                                  • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                    @dysfun Care to elaborate?

                                    julianh@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #19

                                    @behdad @dysfun have you enclosed yourself in a rock with monkeys on typewriters, tech bros, and Elon Musk for the last ten years?

                                    Asking this question is the equivalent to shitting on sometimes lawn and asking the neighbors to elaborate when they ask you to stop shitting on their lawn.

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                                    • julianh@mas.toJ julianh@mas.to

                                      @behdad @dysfun have you enclosed yourself in a rock with monkeys on typewriters, tech bros, and Elon Musk for the last ten years?

                                      Asking this question is the equivalent to shitting on sometimes lawn and asking the neighbors to elaborate when they ask you to stop shitting on their lawn.

                                      julianh@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      julianh@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      @behdad @dysfun in case you need a list:
                                      Energy use.
                                      Forceful integration of ai by large companies who often steal copywrited/licensed material and scrape data in bad faith (such as ignoring robots.txt).
                                      Major vulnerabilities and issues in software supposedly written by AI (see: Windows 11).
                                      The lack of legislation making it unclear if AI generated material is compatible with code licenses.
                                      I could go on.

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                                      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                        HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                                        I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                                        https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                                        isurandil@mastodon.onlineI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @behdad "Claude & Codex"? It's not yet April 1, is it?

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                                        • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                          HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                                          I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                                          https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                                          barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          barubary@infosec.exchange
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                                          #22

                                          @behdad Thanks for the warning.

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