HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@behdad are those contributions actually legal?

[ivy_pigeon95@mastodon.social]

@jlink @mcc @iorsh @dysfun @behdad AI bros would start falsely labelling their slop with it as soon as it caught on, because a lot of them are motivated by spite.

[soc@chaos.social]

@behdad 🤮

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@jlink @iorsh @dysfun One problem with this approach is it normalizes randomly generated code as the ordinary thing, and code written by humans as the exception. Wouldn't it make more sense to have big mandatory warning labels on anything created by the planet-boiling plagiarism machine?

I do agree there should be some kind of organized process for creating forks, though.

[ianbicking@hachyderm.io]

@behdad it’s disappointing people are meeting your honesty about useful contributions with all this negative energy, but I hope you can put it aside as the dysfunctions of social media and not take it on as a judgement of the good faith work you are doing

[p@raru.re]

Congratulations, your license is now invalid
@behdad

[jlink@det.social]

@mcc @iorsh @dysfun What can we control? I cannot force anyone to make warning labels, but I can choose the namespace I attach to something I fork.

[tjk@oldbytes.space]

@behdad That's incredibly disappointing to hear.

[alerque@mastodon.social]

@a1ba @behdad You need a shaper for any language, even ones you know. Odds are in my favor that you composed that toot in something that shapes English with Harbuzz.

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@jlink @iorsh @dysfun That's a good point, and don't let my comments dissuade you from doing a thing you think would be helpful.

I think the place to start is clear messages in contributor rules or DCOs banning agent contributions. I've got language for this in my own repos, but I don't think there's a standard/best practices text people could cut and paste. Of course, this isn't a quickly findable sign of quality, which is what you're seeking (contributor guidelines are in inconsistent places)

[a1ba@suya.place]

@alerque @behdad maybe, I wouldn't argue here.

But rendering English, Kazakh or Russian text is pretty much possible without HarfBuzz. And that's what, in fact, what I do in my own projects.

Sure, it doesn't do stuff like ligatures and maps UTF-8 text to Unicode code points in a very stupid way. But for my own cases for the languages I know, it's just enough.

[hexaheximal@mstdn.social]

@behdad I'm disappointed.

[khaled@typo.social]

@iorsh You approved FontForge PRs co-authored by Claude Code, are you going to fork FontForge as well?

@mcc @dysfun @behdad

[splendorr@mastodon.social]

@ianbicking @behdad incorrect! all concerns and objections to LLM use are valid, because there are so many problems with them! you have to ignore *so many downstream effects* to take this position :[

[iorsh@kishkush.net]

@khaled
I said I understand @dysfun's sentiment, I didn't say I support it.

[khaled@typo.social]

@iorsh I misread you then. I was sincerely curious. @dysfun

[behdad@typo.social]

@splendorr @ianbicking As I said, community is welcome to fork. Forking is an ethical solution to concerns like this.

That said, I researched downstream projects: Debian, Mozilla, GNOME, Fedora, a bunch others, and the way I use LLM's is compatible with their policies.

Also fortunately, text *shaping* in HarfBuzz is super stable and doesn't change often. A fork of that is very feasible for distros that absolutely can't ship this.

[khaled@typo.social]

@dysfun I don’t know you, but @iorsh is a someone I interacted with before in good terms, and specifically helped him integrate HarfBuzz in FontForge.

[iorsh@kishkush.net]

@dysfun

@khaled and I have known each other for a while, please rest assured we are fine.

[jerojasro@col.social]

@behdad OTOH, I apologize: I ended up as part of the pile up upon you.

I understand it's difficult to maintain a project and find the resources one needs to do so. Thank you for that, and I'm sorry.