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Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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    #53

    @jzb you. I like you.

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    • multisn8@donotsta.reM multisn8@donotsta.re

      @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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      #54

      @multisn8@donotsta.re @jzb@hachyderm.io ooo I'll add it to my list

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      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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        #55

        @jzb @AndrewHenry Preach!

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        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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          #56

          @jzb @sidawson I use them not so much to get things done *faster* but more to get things done *at all*. As coding assistants, they are far better than any human I ever met.

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          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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            #57

            @jzb Hard agree. https://www.davidtoddmccarty.com/the-slow-news-movement/

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            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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              #58

              @jzb Good news, other people have been critical of the rate of technological progress.

              https://permacomputing.net
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocriticism

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              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                #59

                @jzb @imaginaryuncle Quality, creativity, and accuracy beat quantity in my world.

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                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                  #60

                  @jzb agree, but also dogs

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                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                    #61

                    @jzb the slow food movement from decades ago predicted this mess, countered - and pretty sure they all had cats

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                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                      #62

                      @jzb here is a cat.

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                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                        #63

                        @jzb
                        I feel the same.

                        Yet if the competition ships features faster, attracts customers and gets more revenue, leading to revenue problems at one's employer, eventually having to let people go; I can see why it seems prudent to to also increase velocity.

                        The positive and negative effects of increased velocity come at different time scales, so one might have to accept a bad future in order to have one at all?

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                        • nancyjane@mastodon.socialN nancyjane@mastodon.social

                          @jzb here is a cat.

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                          #64

                          @nancyjane That's a very nice cat.

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                            #65

                            @matt Some things do need to be done faster (or, you know, be done at all...), sure.

                            I'm guessing you know I wasn't thinking of that use case when I wrote the previous post. You might respond, "That's the problem" which, you know, would be fair.

                            But my point was really about the corporate use of LLMs with this fuzzy idea that the real key is shipping more stuff faster. The real problem, typically, is bad leadership, bad product decisions, saturated markets, and not having a product that meets the customer holy trinity (solves an urgent problem that the customer is willing to pay money to solve).

                            I've said before: since LLMs exist and they're *right there* I don't at all "blame" blind people or other folks with similar needs for using them to solve accessibility problems. Not one tiny bit.

                            But... I'm not going to stop criticizing the overall harms I'm seeing from them, either. If we can somehow address the problems and keep the benefits for the a11y use case, I'd be delighted.

                            And to make this an even longer response (sorry), I had problems with the corporate treadmill of going ever faster even before LLMs entered the picture. They just happen to be a reaction to and accelerant of the problem.

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                            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                              @matt Some things do need to be done faster (or, you know, be done at all...), sure.

                              I'm guessing you know I wasn't thinking of that use case when I wrote the previous post. You might respond, "That's the problem" which, you know, would be fair.

                              But my point was really about the corporate use of LLMs with this fuzzy idea that the real key is shipping more stuff faster. The real problem, typically, is bad leadership, bad product decisions, saturated markets, and not having a product that meets the customer holy trinity (solves an urgent problem that the customer is willing to pay money to solve).

                              I've said before: since LLMs exist and they're *right there* I don't at all "blame" blind people or other folks with similar needs for using them to solve accessibility problems. Not one tiny bit.

                              But... I'm not going to stop criticizing the overall harms I'm seeing from them, either. If we can somehow address the problems and keep the benefits for the a11y use case, I'd be delighted.

                              And to make this an even longer response (sorry), I had problems with the corporate treadmill of going ever faster even before LLMs entered the picture. They just happen to be a reaction to and accelerant of the problem.

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                              #66

                              @jzb

                              > I'm guessing you know I wasn't thinking of that use case when I wrote the previous post.

                              That's a fair criticism of my response. I'm sorry.

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                              • matt@toot.cafeM matt@toot.cafe

                                @jzb

                                > I'm guessing you know I wasn't thinking of that use case when I wrote the previous post.

                                That's a fair criticism of my response. I'm sorry.

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                                #67

                                @matt No apologies needed, truly. Part of the overall problem is that people aren't thinking about a11y.

                                You were entirely polite about it, I appreciate the response. I hope I didn't come across as annoyed or whatever because I really was not / am not.

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                                • mattdm@hachyderm.ioM mattdm@hachyderm.io

                                  @jzb

                                  Would you rather

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                                  #68

                                  @mattdm @jzb surely medieval manuscript snails?

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                                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                    @matt No apologies needed, truly. Part of the overall problem is that people aren't thinking about a11y.

                                    You were entirely polite about it, I appreciate the response. I hope I didn't come across as annoyed or whatever because I really was not / am not.

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                                    #69

                                    @jzb Still, I did know that you didn't specifically have accessibility or anything like that in mind in your original post. So maybe I should have just let you have your rant, knowing how it was intended, instead of escalating with a rant of my own.

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                                    • matt@toot.cafeM matt@toot.cafe

                                      @jzb Still, I did know that you didn't specifically have accessibility or anything like that in mind in your original post. So maybe I should have just let you have your rant, knowing how it was intended, instead of escalating with a rant of my own.

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                                      #70

                                      @jzb Maybe I'm just tired of broad pronouncements and reactions that ignore disabled people, especially in the AI backlash. It's not primarily your own post that I was frustrated with. It's also teachers going back to requiring handwritten assignments and exams, requiring a highly visible exception for disabled students. And just this general feeling that the technology we have now is good enough, or maybe we should even go back to some point in the past. I'm sorry I took that out on you.

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                                      • vathpela@infosec.exchangeV vathpela@infosec.exchange

                                        @mattdm @jzb surely medieval manuscript snails?

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                                        #71

                                        @vathpela @mattdm @jzb medieval manuscript frogs and toads!

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                                        • matt@toot.cafeM matt@toot.cafe

                                          @jzb Maybe I'm just tired of broad pronouncements and reactions that ignore disabled people, especially in the AI backlash. It's not primarily your own post that I was frustrated with. It's also teachers going back to requiring handwritten assignments and exams, requiring a highly visible exception for disabled students. And just this general feeling that the technology we have now is good enough, or maybe we should even go back to some point in the past. I'm sorry I took that out on you.

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                                          #72

                                          @matt I have the general feeling that the technology we have now is enough in the broad sense, but very much not in some specific cases.

                                          It's like the saying about "the future is here, it's just not evenly distributed".

                                          Like, I'd be perfectly happy if the only thing that changed about the Linux desktop for the next few years was getting a11y and some other things dealt with. That stuff needs to change. But, like... do I need even more GPU-intensive game engines or 20 new browser features for stacking tabs? Nah.

                                          Anyway, it's all good. I can understand where your frustration is coming from, it's totally justified.

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