I will hear a leftist say "if it had not been for tikTok ..." or "if it had not been for twitter ...
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@dnkboston @futurebird @joepie91
Its less about the specific technology and more about who controls it.
The age gating censorship laws being rammed through western democracies are a big reason we might end up back on paper zines. But what's important is sharing accurate news about the abuses of the rich and powerful and that can be done with digital tools as simple as a mailing list, though i do admit video is more compelling so some way of distributing video independently of rich racists would be good.
I think @ajroach42 attempts to build local community media are a particular interesting attempt to build culture outside of the limitations imposed by the rich.
@alienghic @dnkboston @futurebird @ajroach42 On the digital front, I believe Waag (in the Netherlands) recently did a real-world experiment with a neighbourhood meshnet. Not just techies, but an actual neighbourhood with a wide diversity of residents participating. It was apparently very positively received, and the biggest problem was the poor reliability, people couldn't rely on being able to communicate through it.
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If you are a political commentator or if you are a creative person who makes art, music, video essays or other content you want lots of people to see your work. That is why you made it. So it's unreasonable to say you should boycott or avoid the most effective ways to reach the greatest number of people.
I do think it's reasonable, however to ask that you educate your fans on the alternatives, engage with them. This is part of "doing the work" too.
@futurebird not me. my work is for the select few able to dig it out from the obscure social media platforms i use, not for the unwashed masses. if i saw too many readers in one place i'd open fire
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J jwcph@helvede.net shared this topic
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If you are a political commentator or if you are a creative person who makes art, music, video essays or other content you want lots of people to see your work. That is why you made it. So it's unreasonable to say you should boycott or avoid the most effective ways to reach the greatest number of people.
I do think it's reasonable, however to ask that you educate your fans on the alternatives, engage with them. This is part of "doing the work" too.
@futurebird It would already be good if anyone trying to reach an audience created a presence on the Fediverse AND of course, told people about it repeatedly, flaunting the advantages of independent distributed networks. I still have a Twitter account with my Mastodon address visible in my handle. I don't post there, though because it's trash as is Instagram.
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@futurebird It would already be good if anyone trying to reach an audience created a presence on the Fediverse AND of course, told people about it repeatedly, flaunting the advantages of independent distributed networks. I still have a Twitter account with my Mastodon address visible in my handle. I don't post there, though because it's trash as is Instagram.
I mean there are certain things "good leftists" do. You help your local community organizations. You read and try to understand the world on a deeper level than what shows up in the news. You try to help the people you see who need help. You try to pressure companies, the government and organizations to be better.
You don't shop at odious businesses if you can avoid it.
You move away from corporate social media and promote alternatives ought to be on that list.
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@dnkboston @futurebird @joepie91
Its less about the specific technology and more about who controls it.
The age gating censorship laws being rammed through western democracies are a big reason we might end up back on paper zines. But what's important is sharing accurate news about the abuses of the rich and powerful and that can be done with digital tools as simple as a mailing list, though i do admit video is more compelling so some way of distributing video independently of rich racists would be good.
I think @ajroach42 attempts to build local community media are a particular interesting attempt to build culture outside of the limitations imposed by the rich.
@alienghic One of the big issues with the communication channels and outlets we're using now is cost. A lot of valuable information is already behind paywalls, and many outlets aren't reliably publishing thorough coverage.
I see the limitations of 'zines et al, and I don't know how much we can depend on citizen journalism to give us everything we need. But I'm already correcting for institutional bias when I read American coverage.
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I mean there are certain things "good leftists" do. You help your local community organizations. You read and try to understand the world on a deeper level than what shows up in the news. You try to help the people you see who need help. You try to pressure companies, the government and organizations to be better.
You don't shop at odious businesses if you can avoid it.
You move away from corporate social media and promote alternatives ought to be on that list.
There are problems with the idea of "the good leftist" and sometimes there are limitations on what people can do. I used amazon's "dot" when I couldn't walk. I hated using an amazon product, but it was already set up and I needed to turn the lights on and off and manage my crutches.
But I won't let the limitations of individual action paralyze me. I will do the things that I can and glory in the way my little actions are amplified when others join in.
Social media is part of that.
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I mean there are certain things "good leftists" do. You help your local community organizations. You read and try to understand the world on a deeper level than what shows up in the news. You try to help the people you see who need help. You try to pressure companies, the government and organizations to be better.
You don't shop at odious businesses if you can avoid it.
You move away from corporate social media and promote alternatives ought to be on that list.
@futurebird I agree on 100% of this. I am adamant about Meta being toxic. I never stop begging people to use Signal rather than WhatsFapp. I refuse to use it so we use email.
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There are problems with the idea of "the good leftist" and sometimes there are limitations on what people can do. I used amazon's "dot" when I couldn't walk. I hated using an amazon product, but it was already set up and I needed to turn the lights on and off and manage my crutches.
But I won't let the limitations of individual action paralyze me. I will do the things that I can and glory in the way my little actions are amplified when others join in.
Social media is part of that.
I've been trying to establish a pollinator garden in my park. For months I've come to the park and picked up trash in this one little area, because that is what I could do.
One day I came and someone else was there picking up trash too. "I see you all the time! It makes our park nicer."
I could weep.
I have more than just two hands.
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I've been trying to establish a pollinator garden in my park. For months I've come to the park and picked up trash in this one little area, because that is what I could do.
One day I came and someone else was there picking up trash too. "I see you all the time! It makes our park nicer."
I could weep.
I have more than just two hands.
I thought "I can't clean this whole park, it's too big."
It turns out that might not be true. Maybe I can.
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There are problems with the idea of "the good leftist" and sometimes there are limitations on what people can do. I used amazon's "dot" when I couldn't walk. I hated using an amazon product, but it was already set up and I needed to turn the lights on and off and manage my crutches.
But I won't let the limitations of individual action paralyze me. I will do the things that I can and glory in the way my little actions are amplified when others join in.
Social media is part of that.
@futurebird I did order one item from Amazon after an exhaustive search for it everywhere. But compared to the thousands spent over the years, including Prime Video (which we got for half off), I'm off AMZ.
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I thought "I can't clean this whole park, it's too big."
It turns out that might not be true. Maybe I can.
@futurebird With enough time...
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That's part of it too.
@futurebird @dnkboston @joepie91 I've wrestled with this a lot, since a few years ago I was in a largish left group and was astonished how dependent it was on "free" commercial software, especially Google Docs. Most of the tech people in the group argued for using self-hosted FOSS software, but the majority pushed back hard against that idea.
I pointed out to an outspoken role-playing game designer, on her Discord channel, that there was a Fediverse instance focused on games that I knew several game designers were on, and others focused on issues she cared about, but she and others in the channel complained that anyone could set up a Fediverse instance.
A few weeks ago I was talking to an animal rights activist who was publishing updates on Instagram. I suggested he set up a Fedi account, and pointed out an instance for vegans that I thought would be a good place to start. He said he couldn't bear to deal with another social media outlet.
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I've been trying to establish a pollinator garden in my park. For months I've come to the park and picked up trash in this one little area, because that is what I could do.
One day I came and someone else was there picking up trash too. "I see you all the time! It makes our park nicer."
I could weep.
I have more than just two hands.
I do the same thing. So does my mom. I live across the street from a nature preserve and I clear common mullen, a weed brought to the US on slave ships in the 1700's. Clearing this weed, which has copious seeds and a large footprint, has subtly transformed the wildlife area. We get more flowers now. Also, it keeps me occupied on dog walks. Prior to this, in San Jose, I picked up trash. So much trash.... Now I pull weeds.
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I've been trying to establish a pollinator garden in my park. For months I've come to the park and picked up trash in this one little area, because that is what I could do.
One day I came and someone else was there picking up trash too. "I see you all the time! It makes our park nicer."
I could weep.
I have more than just two hands.
@futurebird @randulo we pick up trash as we walk. A little with each walk, every day, over years, and we are not alone. We have had people comment- some enthusiastic "thank you" comments, some rather less so.
We like how nice it looks without trash. It's that simple. Also it's great exercise.
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@futurebird I did order one item from Amazon after an exhaustive search for it everywhere. But compared to the thousands spent over the years, including Prime Video (which we got for half off), I'm off AMZ.
I still have my audiobooks but I've stopped buying more. I have my own copies of some of them... but it's like 200 books so getting my own copies is taking some time.
At least I don't have to pay them to keep the app and listen to what I already bought. I really liked using audible. Now I often buy the physical book and then "obtain" an audio copy in some way. Or I use the library. Which is fine.
Used to buy tons on amazon prime but I don't miss that as much as I thought I would.
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@futurebird @dnkboston @joepie91 I've wrestled with this a lot, since a few years ago I was in a largish left group and was astonished how dependent it was on "free" commercial software, especially Google Docs. Most of the tech people in the group argued for using self-hosted FOSS software, but the majority pushed back hard against that idea.
I pointed out to an outspoken role-playing game designer, on her Discord channel, that there was a Fediverse instance focused on games that I knew several game designers were on, and others focused on issues she cared about, but she and others in the channel complained that anyone could set up a Fediverse instance.
A few weeks ago I was talking to an animal rights activist who was publishing updates on Instagram. I suggested he set up a Fedi account, and pointed out an instance for vegans that I thought would be a good place to start. He said he couldn't bear to deal with another social media outlet.
@foolishowl I'm struggling to understand the problem the game designer had with Fediverse. It's...too accessible? That's not me trying to stan for the Fediverse, I just truly don't get it.
I do get the complaint about too many social media outlets. I'm here, a few servers on Discord (I can't wait for that to end), and Signal. And that's it. Any more and I would feel too scattered.
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@futurebird @randulo we pick up trash as we walk. A little with each walk, every day, over years, and we are not alone. We have had people comment- some enthusiastic "thank you" comments, some rather less so.
We like how nice it looks without trash. It's that simple. Also it's great exercise.
@futurebird @randulo I am never going to be perfect and I might never understand how I am imperfect. But damn I'm gonna try and do my bit.
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There are problems with the idea of "the good leftist" and sometimes there are limitations on what people can do. I used amazon's "dot" when I couldn't walk. I hated using an amazon product, but it was already set up and I needed to turn the lights on and off and manage my crutches.
But I won't let the limitations of individual action paralyze me. I will do the things that I can and glory in the way my little actions are amplified when others join in.
Social media is part of that.
@futurebird By the way, I have never had any desire to posess Alexa or any similar product and when I bought a Firestick (which never actually got used) I opened it up and disconnected the microphone wire. I'm sorry you needed the dot but glad it helped you.
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@futurebird @dnkboston @joepie91 I've wrestled with this a lot, since a few years ago I was in a largish left group and was astonished how dependent it was on "free" commercial software, especially Google Docs. Most of the tech people in the group argued for using self-hosted FOSS software, but the majority pushed back hard against that idea.
I pointed out to an outspoken role-playing game designer, on her Discord channel, that there was a Fediverse instance focused on games that I knew several game designers were on, and others focused on issues she cared about, but she and others in the channel complained that anyone could set up a Fediverse instance.
A few weeks ago I was talking to an animal rights activist who was publishing updates on Instagram. I suggested he set up a Fedi account, and pointed out an instance for vegans that I thought would be a good place to start. He said he couldn't bear to deal with another social media outlet.
@foolishowl @dnkboston @joepie91
The fediverse just isn't as easy to get into. And when people were leaving twitter there was a small but effective misinformation campaign to smear the fedi as "too much like 4chan" and "a place for the worst dude bro nerds" and "unmoderated" etc. and I think some of it came from bluesky filtered through prominent leftists who just don't think this is a big deal?
I think it's a big deal. We need to have our own damn servers. Not saying that is easy.
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@futurebird @dnkboston @joepie91 I've wrestled with this a lot, since a few years ago I was in a largish left group and was astonished how dependent it was on "free" commercial software, especially Google Docs. Most of the tech people in the group argued for using self-hosted FOSS software, but the majority pushed back hard against that idea.
I pointed out to an outspoken role-playing game designer, on her Discord channel, that there was a Fediverse instance focused on games that I knew several game designers were on, and others focused on issues she cared about, but she and others in the channel complained that anyone could set up a Fediverse instance.
A few weeks ago I was talking to an animal rights activist who was publishing updates on Instagram. I suggested he set up a Fedi account, and pointed out an instance for vegans that I thought would be a good place to start. He said he couldn't bear to deal with another social media outlet.
@foolishowl @joepie91 @futurebird @dnkboston
yeah, I know how they feel. I can't bear to use Instagram or Facebook or twitter or Substack. I completely get how folks are mistrustful and burned out by social media.
But this is a cut off nose to spite face situation because mastodon is the good place.
