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  • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

    They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

    The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

    The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

    It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

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    #7

    @mekkaokereke

    In other news, the word ‘universal’ means… universal.

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    • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

      They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

      The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

      The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

      It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

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      #8

      @mekkaokereke 💯 The UK’s attempts to make child-related benefits income-dependent (see https://archive.ph/2026.03.25-225320/https://www.ft.com/content/e8f10ba1-e555-45c9-8c46-8ef77aa38854) have lead to huge distortions in people’s behaviour, where people are reducing hours to avoid being worse off due to a pay rise. Much better to not tax having children.

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      • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

        They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

        The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

        The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

        It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

        mhoye@cosocial.caM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #9

        @mekkaokereke one of the core lessons of public health is that bureaucracy is _expensive_. The entire “Who should pay what!?” Exercise slows the systems down and costs a ton of money and basically all it produces is spreadsheets that cruel selfish people use to be cruel and selfish, and that crowd can’t wrap their heads around the fact that the other thing that’s great about public services being public services is that it’s cheaper.

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        • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

          @deirdrebeth @Fishercat @mekkaokereke
          The 2,000 Billionaires should be the first people to get free tampons

          And then everybody else on earth who needs them

          It’s not hard to see how means-testing is an excuse to not give thing to the poor

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          #10

          @AccordionBruce @Fishercat @mekkaokereke

          That's exactly the opposite of what I was saying, and agreeing with.

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          • ectopod@hachyderm.ioE ectopod@hachyderm.io

            @mekkaokereke At this point I honestly find it hilarious how much the NYT hates Mamdani. Every one of these headlines uses the stupidest imaginable pretzel logic trying to spin an obvious good into something problematic.

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            #11

            @ectopod

            @mekkaokereke
            It's the same everywhere. WTF.

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            • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

              They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

              The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

              The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

              It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

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              #12

              @mekkaokereke
              When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

              Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

              We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

              raymierussell@mastodon.scotR cstamp@mastodon.socialC screwturn@mastodon.socialS endicottauthor@mastodon.socialE fyrfli@blackqueer.lifeF 16 Replies Last reply
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              • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                @mekkaokereke
                When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

                Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

                We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

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                #13

                @realtegan @mekkaokereke
                My pet hate.
                When you start to "means test" something that really should be universal the means test itself costs money to administer and you create a barrier to some of those who should be benefiting but may not be able to navigate the red tape required for many many reasons.

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                • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                  @mekkaokereke
                  When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

                  Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

                  We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

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                  #14

                  @realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”

                  So what? Especially when it involves children.

                  realtegan@wandering.shopR philip@mastodon.mallegolhansen.comP mikestok@mstdn.caM kbm0@mastodon.socialK ferrix@mastodon.onlineF 6 Replies Last reply
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                  • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                    @realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”

                    So what? Especially when it involves children.

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                    #15

                    @CStamp @mekkaokereke
                    Exactly.

                    And by giving everyone a free lunch and breakfast, it removes the stigma of "being too poor" to pay for lunch. That removes a tiny portion of the humiliation that comes from living in poverty.

                    Then there's the families who cannot figure out how to apply for the free lunch program - or don't have time because the parent(s) work extra jobs. Those children don't go hungry if every child is fed.

                    We need to stop gate-keeping who needs help, and just help people.

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                    • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                      @mekkaokereke
                      When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

                      Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

                      We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

                      screwturn@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @realtegan

                      Trying to carve out a "special" class who are entitled to school lunch has always been a foolish approach that just adds layers of expensive policing that INEVITABLY wind up costing more than they save, and preventing some number of eligible students from getting serviced.

                      Unfortunately, some people are always more focused on the remote or insignificant risk of cheaters, than they are on make sure that they are servicing those who need it

                      Just make it free to all

                      @mekkaokereke

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                      • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                        @CStamp @mekkaokereke
                        Exactly.

                        And by giving everyone a free lunch and breakfast, it removes the stigma of "being too poor" to pay for lunch. That removes a tiny portion of the humiliation that comes from living in poverty.

                        Then there's the families who cannot figure out how to apply for the free lunch program - or don't have time because the parent(s) work extra jobs. Those children don't go hungry if every child is fed.

                        We need to stop gate-keeping who needs help, and just help people.

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                        #17

                        @realtegan @mekkaokereke If the US has trillions of $ to bomb children in other nations, they certainly have $ to feed its own kids. 😞

                        Kids are the most importantly resource of any country.

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                        • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                          @mekkaokereke
                          When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

                          Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

                          We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

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                          #18

                          @realtegan @mekkaokereke Agreed.

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                          • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                            @mekkaokereke
                            When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.

                            Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.

                            We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.

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                            #19

                            @realtegan @mekkaokereke but then, how would they justify their “black and brown people don't deserve anything” stance? now that's just silly-talk.

                            (/s in case anyone is wondering)

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                            • fyrfli@blackqueer.lifeF fyrfli@blackqueer.life

                              @realtegan @mekkaokereke but then, how would they justify their “black and brown people don't deserve anything” stance? now that's just silly-talk.

                              (/s in case anyone is wondering)

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                              #20

                              @fyrfli @mekkaokereke

                              When you look to the heart of America's problems, 99.99999% of it can be traced directly to racism.

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                              • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                @realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”

                                So what? Especially when it involves children.

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                                #21

                                @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke Is it even *possible* for anyone (a child in particular) to be undeserving?

                                Seems like a pretty vital assumption that the answer is yes, but I’m not convinced.

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                                • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                  @realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”

                                  So what? Especially when it involves children.

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                                  #22

                                  @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke if we’re going to give billionaires and corporations tax breaks then feeding kids without means testing seems like small change.

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                                  • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                    @realtegan @mekkaokereke If the US has trillions of $ to bomb children in other nations, they certainly have $ to feed its own kids. 😞

                                    Kids are the most importantly resource of any country.

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                                    #23

                                    @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
                                    “Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.”
                                    ― Adam Smith

                                    "The primary function of government is to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority of the poor."
                                    - James Madison

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                                    • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                      @realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”

                                      So what? Especially when it involves children.

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                                      #24

                                      @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke "Deserves got nothing to do with it"

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                                      • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

                                        They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

                                        The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

                                        The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

                                        It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

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                                        #25

                                        @mekkaokereke

                                        Does the US have no community/tax funded essential services?

                                        I am genuinely perplexed

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                                        • mekkaokereke@hachyderm.ioM mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io

                                          They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.🤡

                                          The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.🤷🏿‍♂️

                                          The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."

                                          It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.🤡"

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                                          #26

                                          @mekkaokereke it's just infuriating. it's not free! it's tax-supported, and if the system is working right, rich people pay more in taxes.

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