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  3. Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #45

    @emmadavidson There are times of night in the wintertime when you can't see any satellites... but yeah. The billionaires have taken that away from us.

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

      You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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      #46

      @sundogplanets I support this movement. Give everyone the chance to see something clearly in the night sky with their own eyes and it can change perception profoundly. I remember the first time I saw Saturn with my own telescope. It cements how tiny we are.

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        A stunningly beautiful quote from Yann Martel, sent to me by a satellite engineer who loves the sky:

        "If you’ve never been, the south of Saskatchewan is so flat the horizon is perceptibly round. Above you, during the day, lords an immense dome of sky so empty it feels like a fullness, with clouds the size of mountains, the sun but a small disk, and a depth of colour that is often chalk blue, oh so chalk blue.

        ...

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        #47

        @sundogplanets When we moved to Vancouver the sky felt so small and coming back to prairies everything felt so very very big again.

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          #48

          I used to head up north to the top end every winter and get a dose of bush and sky. So much light from the stars, and all the different colours. Then you’d hear stories about Indigenous folks explaining why one star was a different colour to the others.

          For thousands of years humans have read the sky at night in such amazing detail, and today we can barely even remember to look up.

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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

            Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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            #49

            @sundogplanets
            Over my life, I've lived mostly in bigger cities/urban areas, AND I've been lucky enough to have spent time in areas far from the urban space.

            The difference in the night sky is incredible. The darker the surroundings, the more magical that skyscape is.

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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

              Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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              #50

              @sundogplanets

              Over 50 years ago, you could spot a satelllite in polar orbit.

              Otherwise, just stars. These days, you can not see all of the stars that were visible back then. Even if you are away from city lights.

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                "At night this reassuring curtain of blue is pulled away and you realize where you really are: at infinity’s doorstep. A plain is what a mountain aims to be: the closest you can come to being in outer space while yet having your feet on this planet."

                I really hope to get out to Grasslands Nat'l Park this week and appreciate infinity's doorstep, despite smoke and satellites trying to take that away.

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                #51

                @sundogplanets That's the one thing I really miss about my home state of Alaska, the night sky was just incredible! We're rural here in Florida, but there is still so much light pollution that pulling out my telescope just isn't the same anymore.

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                  You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                  #52

                  @sundogplanets We, the non-billionaires with our Stargazer Steve telescopes+ know. Billionaires know. They just don't give a damn.

                  I was 4 yrs old when I saw the Morning Star (and was told it was Venus) through my 13 year-old cousin's handmade telescope. I fell in love faded decades and decades ago.

                  I still have 2 pair of ancient binoculars I use to view Jupiter & some moons and Saturn & some moons. It's lovely and I'm on the edge of a city in PA.

                  Still trying to enjoy it while I can.

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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                    You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                    #53

                    @sundogplanets I still remember the first time I was out of sight of land on a boat at night. Utterly mesmerising, laying on the deck, looking up

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                      You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                      #54

                      Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                      For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                      Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                        For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                        Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                        #55

                        @sundogplanets We used to live in SW Colorado at 7200 feet altitude. The night skies were incredible. You could read by the full moon and it felt like you could touch the stars, they seemed so close.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                          For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                          Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                          #56

                          @sundogplanets It was in a state park in Nevada where we were climbing. It was about 50 miles east of the California border. I can’t remember the name of it, but it was so dark that the few clouds that were there were not backlit from any surface lights and they looked like dark nebula against the star field. It was also disorienting as it was hard to find the constellations with such a rich star field. I only had a 4” scope with me, but the views were awesome.

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                            For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                            Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                            #57

                            @sundogplanets On the rocks at the edge of Bonne Bay, Newfoundland (a fjord in Gros Morne National Park). A few village lights, but a night so clear that just turning away was enough. Lying on my back with the ocean lapping a cobble beach a few metres away, and it felt like I was pressed to the very thin skin of a whirling planet with my face almost in the stars. It almost felt like I could slip off.

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                              For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                              Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                              #58

                              @sundogplanets Piper's Cove in CB the night of 9/11. Remote area so dark sky but that night no planes so just stars. Beautiful!

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                #59

                                @sundogplanets
                                Onaping lake, about an hour from Sudbury, ontario. At a log cottage you need a boat to get to.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                  For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                  Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                  #60

                                  @sundogplanets

                                  Okavango Delta on safari. Truly stunning

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                    For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                    Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                    #61

                                    @sundogplanets

                                    Far northern Ontario for me. There's roads now to roughly where I was but when I went it was just bush plane in and out. Stars for ages.

                                    That, and one night when I was like 20 when the aurora went crazy and looking up made it feel like we were all in a giant turquoise dome tent together.

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                                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                      Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                      For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                      Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                      #62

                                      @sundogplanets I haven't seen it personally, but I'm told the view from Centauri Epsilon VI is second to none.

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                        For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                        Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                        #63

                                        @sundogplanets As a kid (many years ago now) living in a large town, I remember being sceptical about seeing the Milky Way by eye. My siblings would try to point it out but I could not discern anything significant.

                                        It was only when camping in the countryside that I understood, and appreciated, the incredible sight they were trying to point out.

                                        It is unsurprising if someone stuck in a slightly built up area has a lack of appreciation of this beauty.

                                        And what we're losing with starlink.

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                          For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                          Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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                                          #64

                                          @sundogplanets western New Mexico, the Milky Way cast shadows

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