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  • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

    @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

    Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

    Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

    That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

    nopatience@swecyb.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #15

    @_elena Unless you can do both at the same time... then do both 😉

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    • mensrea@freeradical.zoneM mensrea@freeradical.zone

      @_elena they seem like great domains to start hosting fedi services. they go looking for euro-corp they find international co-op

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      #16

      @_elena what's known as guerrilla marketing

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      • palin@livellosegreto.itP palin@livellosegreto.it

        @ed @_elena I politely ask why not both? A centralized system could be better if there are no drawbacks. We know that there no such thing as a free lunch, so we should explain that on top of fediverse advantages.

        vonblubba@livellosegreto.itV This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @palin Europe is finally taking steps toward independence from US IT infrastructure. It’s likely too little, too late, but it’s still a move in the right direction. While I appreciate the effort, I suspect the Fediverse might have been a better solution. That said, I cynically believe this initiative will fail miserably without much outside interference 😅 @ed @_elena

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        • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

          @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

          Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

          Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

          That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

          everton137@social.vivaldi.netE This user is from outside of this forum
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          everton137@social.vivaldi.net
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          #18

          @_elena @nopatience I second that.

          A video addressing the nearly 60% of Members of the European Parliament still active on X would be beautiful.

          https://leavex.eu/politicians

          What would happen if prominent politicians had official, active accounts on the Fediverse? Public attention would certainly follow, as would journalists, who are obligated to track and report on political figures.

          People don't leave the Fediverse solely because of technical hurdles. Many arrive, look around, and simply don't find enough reasons to stay. Retention is not just a usability problem, but also a matter of social density and relevance. With a sufficiently large and visible group of active participants, the Fediverse could generate its own gravity and flourish beyond the tech-savvy community.

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            Dear Fedi friends,

            I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

            The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

            Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

            odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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            odd@mstdn.social
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            #19

            @_elena its probably better not to sabotage EU alternatives, but by grabbing domains the fediverse could be injected into the news cycle, if done with a coherent message to the media.

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            • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

              @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

              Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

              Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

              That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

              angelomassaro@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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              angelomassaro@mastodon.social
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              #20

              @nopatience @_elena I second this

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              • d1re_w0lf@mstdn.socialD d1re_w0lf@mstdn.social

                @_elena It’s ironic that the supposed European alternative to X and the answer to independence from U.S. tech is… using “American” ATProto instead of “European” Mastodon.

                https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:xgvzy7ni6ig6ievcbls5jaxe/post/3mcxmdf7ma22z

                sturmsucht@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #21

                @d1re_w0lf @_elena

                EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up Wsocial with Wedium https://wedium.social

                New social networks are popping up everywhere these days.

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  Dear Fedi friends,

                  I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                  The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                  Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                  crossgolf_rebel@moppels.barC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  crossgolf_rebel@moppels.bar
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                  #22

                  @_elena@mastodon.social Do it!
                  Every voice that points out how stupid the idea is must be publicly available.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Dear Fedi friends,

                    I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                    The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                    Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

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                    nanianmichaels@tech.lgbt
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                    #23

                    @_elena The "you need to upload a valid form of ID" is reason alone to blast it, so I very much support blasting it.

                    I was curious about it, but as soon as I saw that requirement, I went "NOPE".

                    I get the why they want to do it that way, to clamp down on bots and have traceability in case of abuse, but it's an Orwelian nightmare. Not to mention that a third party will have access to your ID photos, and we all know how well (as in, not) said third-parties handle and secure PII...

                    And then of course there's the advertisers salivating over the whole thing, because it's a 100% sure way to pinpoint EXACTLY who they're advertising to.

                    Not to mention over-zealous (to put it mildly) law enforcement accessing said targeting data...

                    Yes, this very much needs a major blast.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Dear Fedi friends,

                      I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                      The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                      Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                      vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      vladcampos@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #24

                      @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                      I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                      Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                      vladcampos@mastodon.socialV ikuturso@mastodon.socialI teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafeT brennpunktua@mastodon.socialB 4 Replies Last reply
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                      • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

                        @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

                        Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

                        Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

                        That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

                        paul@misskey.ellidaf.ruP This user is from outside of this forum
                        paul@misskey.ellidaf.ruP This user is from outside of this forum
                        paul@misskey.ellidaf.ru
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #25

                        @nopatience@swecyb.com @_elena@mastodon.social When it comes to competitors, treat them like the dead: praise them — or keep it buried. 😎

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                        • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

                          @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                          I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                          Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                          vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                          vladcampos@mastodon.social
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                          #26

                          @_elena One thing I see myself doing more and more lately is writing to companies and institutions, asking them why they don't have an account on the Fediverse and explaining how to do it. It works, but it has to be easy. One thing I'm constantly telling them is that there's a simple way to do it if they are running their blog on WordPress. I also send them a how-to I wrote.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            Dear Fedi friends,

                            I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                            The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                            Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                            androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            androcat@toot.cat
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                            #27

                            @_elena Hijacking the ludicrous agitprop for a better purpose is a good idea.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              Dear Fedi friends,

                              I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                              The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                              Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                              ghose@gts.xmgz.euG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              ghose@gts.xmgz.eu
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #28

                              @_elena

                              .fr
                              .es
                              ...and some others already taken 😄

                              I voted «yes go ahead», but it all depends on the expected ROI 😃 (how much attention is that w-thing getting so people would reach that alternative sites)

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                              • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

                                @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                                I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                                Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                                ikuturso@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                ikuturso@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #29

                                @vladcampos @_elena Well, I guess a counterpoint would be that them deciding to do this thing while pretending nothing at all exists in this space in Europe currently is also creating a sense of division already.

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                                • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

                                  @vladcampos @_elena Well, I guess a counterpoint would be that them deciding to do this thing while pretending nothing at all exists in this space in Europe currently is also creating a sense of division already.

                                  vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  vladcampos@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #30

                                  @ikuturso @_elena Sure it is! And that's my point. The more we as humans embark on this division, the worse things will get.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    Dear Fedi friends,

                                    I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                                    The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                                    Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                                    frankaulux@polyglot.cityF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    frankaulux@polyglot.cityF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    frankaulux@polyglot.city
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #31

                                    @_elena

                                    A couple of arguments, if I may:

                                    1) why reinvent the wheel ???

                                    2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)

                                    3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!

                                    Good luck

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                                    • frankaulux@polyglot.cityF frankaulux@polyglot.city

                                      @_elena

                                      A couple of arguments, if I may:

                                      1) why reinvent the wheel ???

                                      2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)

                                      3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!

                                      Good luck

                                      humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      humanhorseshoes@mastodon.world
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #32

                                      @FrankauLux @_elena all they did was tap the EU for funding and they’re so cautious and clueless they backed it because they used the right buzzwords

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                                      • humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH humanhorseshoes@mastodon.world

                                        @FrankauLux @_elena all they did was tap the EU for funding and they’re so cautious and clueless they backed it because they used the right buzzwords

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                                        frankaulux@polyglot.city
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                                        #33

                                        @humanhorseshoes @_elena

                                        Well not sure they are so clueless, since the EU institutions have had their own mastodon instances for a while.
                                        The Commission, the Parliament and the Court of Justice all have an instance.

                                        I think it is more a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand does, ie politician answering before consulting the tech guys.
                                        But we'll see.
                                        Luckily (in this case) things go slow and we have time to alter the course.

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                                        • ed@livellosegreto.itE ed@livellosegreto.it

                                          @_elena I think that we need more "why/how you should join the Fediverse" rather than "why you should not use platform X, Y, W".

                                          We (as in: the internet) spoke loudly about why not using certain type of softwares and platform and it didn't really made a substantial difference.

                                          I think we need to focus on bringing people (and make them stay) here rather than scare them about another software or platform.

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                                          juergen@hello.jyrgi.de
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                                          #34

                                          @ed
                                          @_elena

                                          I could not agree more. The Fediverse has to convince the folks to come here not blaming other services that we even don't really know, yet.

                                          Instead we are welcoming new folks with arguing why they have chosen the wrong Fediverse SW instead of the much better other SW. This is scaring away so many new users, and would be worth to work on.

                                          We should keep proving that we are better not claiming that other solutions are worse.

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