Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Because if the regulations don't apply to Apple, they don't apply to Google either, and then you suddenly don't have an option, should you wish interoperability or replaceable services.
Perhaps more people would use alternative marketplaces on iOS if those weren't an afterthought, implemented to please regulators and then do no more.
@algernon @EUCommission @gklka I agree that they are an afterthought because the entire thing was a forced feature that no one asked for.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission
The EU doesn't make a choice for you. The EU makes sure you can choose something else if you want to, rather than Apple choosing for you! -
Agreed. I think Apple is just as responsible on this one. And they should offer other models the same functionality. I just don't think that the regulator's job to force them to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @EUCommission but that is the worst approach possible. If you have rules nobody is enforcing we'd end up with customer hostility and rampant capitalism sooner than later.
If there are rules, they have to be enforced for anybody the same way. And apple is a posterboy for trying to push the limit, so they had to be told off eventually. I hope the competitive disadvantage makes them rethink this.
That said I'm not against apple, I use some products myself.
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@webjac @EUCommission You persist in missing the point. Watch the video again.
Also, you're wrong.
No, the EU isn't overstepping. It's defending the interests of EU consumers from unregulated and unaccountable neoliberal capitalism and doing so on behalf of and with the support of member states, every one of which is a democracy.
@samueljohnson @EUCommission I just don't want anybody thinking they're defending my interest. I'm an adult, let me defend my interests myself.
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@webjac @EUCommission but that is the worst approach possible. If you have rules nobody is enforcing we'd end up with customer hostility and rampant capitalism sooner than later.
If there are rules, they have to be enforced for anybody the same way. And apple is a posterboy for trying to push the limit, so they had to be told off eventually. I hope the competitive disadvantage makes them rethink this.
That said I'm not against apple, I use some products myself.
@webjac @EUCommission and I don't think apple wants to protect you. It wants you in their walled garden, protected from others. That's a huge difference
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@makeithappen5634 @EUCommission in a free market, anyone can offer the product they think best, and the market decides.
If Apple think it’s better to offer a limited set of models, and the market doesn't like it, they won't buy it. That's free market.
@webjac @EUCommission and you juste proved again why you are dumb.
What you describe is monopoly not free market sorry but i will block your dumb ass.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission this seems like a you problem. Maybe down the road they’ll make the feature modular they have already done so for other agent choices like XCode.
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@leeloo @webjac @EUCommission the whole tech market is evil and intent on never giving you an ethical choice
@lumi @leeloo @EUCommission I agree with you there. I think Europe should be promoting more competition and more ethical choices rather than regulating what exists
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@leeloo @webjac @EUCommission the whole tech market is evil and intent on never giving you an ethical choice
@lumi @webjac @EUCommission
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@webjac @EUCommission
The EU doesn't make a choice for you. The EU makes sure you can choose something else if you want to, rather than Apple choosing for you!@ckd @EUCommission and by forcing them to do so, Apple backs away and I end up without the features I want.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission You are neither acting in the sense of consumers nor in the interests of European software businesses. The problem in this is case is *you* - the EU commission. You are hindering software innovation made in the EU.You are hindering business opportunities. Most users give a shit about third-party AI or third-party integrations. Customers are interested in devices with maximum privacy. This is what Apple stands for. The ego trip of the EU commission is hilarious. Get over it.
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@webjac @EUCommission but that is the worst approach possible. If you have rules nobody is enforcing we'd end up with customer hostility and rampant capitalism sooner than later.
If there are rules, they have to be enforced for anybody the same way. And apple is a posterboy for trying to push the limit, so they had to be told off eventually. I hope the competitive disadvantage makes them rethink this.
That said I'm not against apple, I use some products myself.
@mr_harm @EUCommission I agree that some markets require regulations, don't get me wrong. I just think in this case it's a little bit overstepping, but we can differ on that.
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@lumi @webjac @EUCommission
And thus we need stronger laws, not weaker.@leeloo @webjac @EUCommission yeah, all walled gardens must be cracked open and everything must be interoperable and independently implementable by anyone, without having to ask any authority
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@algernon @EUCommission @gklka I agree that they are an afterthought because the entire thing was a forced feature that no one asked for.
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Noone you know.
Case in point, I never considered buying an iPhone primarily because the lack of alternate markets. There were multiple points in time when I would have bought one, if there were.
Yes, I'm not an iPhone user, and likely never will be, but I could have been. I'm not the only one either.
Yes, I'm probably not Apple's target audience. Still: alternative markets are useful. Perhaps not for iPhone users, but for other people (and there are a lot of those!). Regulation is supposed to apply equally to everybody, this, if the EU wants to ensure alternative markets on $X, then they'll have to be available on $Y too, and that includes Apple's iPhone.
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@lumi @leeloo @EUCommission I agree with you there. I think Europe should be promoting more competition and more ethical choices rather than regulating what exists
@webjac @lumi @EUCommission
They are promoting competition, by telling Apple they can't force people to use Internet Explorer.They can't just go out and force people to start new phone manufacturing companies.
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@webjac @EUCommission and I don't think apple wants to protect you. It wants you in their walled garden, protected from others. That's a huge difference
@mr_harm @EUCommission I think they want both of those things.
In the garden you're protected, in the garden you give them all your money. Of course they're self interested
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@rzeta0 @webjac @EUCommission Not realy any more. Also more and more services depend on apples or googles library's. Some services actually force you to use them. Try to use your bank or public transportation without apple or android. The so called free market is leading to a closed duopoly. So regulation is mandatory.
@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
I agree with intelligent regulation.
Security. Privacy. Environmental impact. Etc.
But choice or otherwise of AI software is not the battle to have.
It undermines the efforts to do useful regulation.
If the EU wants to fight for interoperability it should fight Microsoft on document formats - and stop buying Microsoft software itself (which it does, hugely).
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@mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka I’m not interested in their back-and-forth debate about who did what. Apple is clearly playing its own game, and I’m not defending them. The App Store needs some serious reform due to its practices with developers. However, the DMA is an overcomplicated crap regulating issues that no one asked for.
Regarding USB-C: I like USB-C for now, but are we going to use this for eternity or what?
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka regarding the DMA: that's a completely different discussion. You were not ranting about the DMA though but that you don't have features because of the EU and that is Apple fanboying par excellence.
And USB-C will probably be replaced at some point in the very distant future, so no need to worry about that for now. Micro-USB was the standard for like 15 years so we're safe for now. And the standard for C is evolving independent from the connector
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@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Noone you know.
Case in point, I never considered buying an iPhone primarily because the lack of alternate markets. There were multiple points in time when I would have bought one, if there were.
Yes, I'm not an iPhone user, and likely never will be, but I could have been. I'm not the only one either.
Yes, I'm probably not Apple's target audience. Still: alternative markets are useful. Perhaps not for iPhone users, but for other people (and there are a lot of those!). Regulation is supposed to apply equally to everybody, this, if the EU wants to ensure alternative markets on $X, then they'll have to be available on $Y too, and that includes Apple's iPhone.
@algernon @EUCommission @gklka And it’s awesome that we have a choice to buy what we need or want.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission Thanks for the clear response. Thoughtful, robust rules support innovation, protect competition, and make life better for all of us in the EU.
Extra props for communicating this clearly and unambiguously.
