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  3. A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations.

A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations.

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    voiceover66
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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

      https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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      vekkq@social.vivaldi.net
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      #64

      @tante the biggest german news show always starts with 'angaben ohne gewehr'.
      google can do the same and legally just say: its information without guarantees or certainties.

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      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

        @tante

        Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

        Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

        That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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        allpoints@mstdn.social
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        #65

        @david_chisnall @tante politicians?

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        • meredith@famichiki.jpM meredith@famichiki.jp

          @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante I can tell I haven't had enough caffeine yet, because now my brain is going down the rabbit hole of "we have to clean our ears with Q-tips because getting it done safely at the doctor is not financially accessible to most Americans."

          But Europeans probably do it too, and I know Asian countries have those little ear spoons which presumably have similar risks of eardrum puncture.

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          peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz
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          #66

          @meredith @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante But East Asian earwax is different from European and African earwax, so the tools and techniques are different. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know-general-science/your-earwax-and-sweat-have-something-smelly-common

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          • steveclough@metalhead.clubS steveclough@metalhead.club

            @david_chisnall @tante I remember years ago being on the Tube in London, and the it stopped, and the recommendation was "Please use other means to get to your destination". Which I felt was rather like saying "We cannot do our job, please find someone who can do our job of getting you there"

            It feels a little like this.

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            peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz
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            #67

            @SteveClough @david_chisnall @tante I was once in Tokyo when there was a stoppage on a metro line and they were handling out tickets for other lines and apologizing profusely. And in both Japan and Canada, saying "I'm sorry" is not an admission of liability.

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            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

              @tante

              Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

              Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

              That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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              landa@graz.social
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              #68

              @david_chisnall
              It’s fascinating what truths people suddenly find within themselves when lying has negative consequences. 😉

              @tante

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              • vekkq@social.vivaldi.netV vekkq@social.vivaldi.net

                @tante the biggest german news show always starts with 'angaben ohne gewehr'.
                google can do the same and legally just say: its information without guarantees or certainties.

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                hllizi@hespere.de
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                #69

                @vekkq @tante this isn't at the start of the news show, it's after the drawing of the lottery numbers and it simply means that the numbers drawn aren't necessarily the final ones because there may have been some sort of error and new numbers might be drawn. So don't order that Porsche yet.

                It's not something the news say at the beginning so that they can just make things up with impunity.

                Apart from that I'm pretty sure that all public LLM interfaces contain such warnings already.

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                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                  @tante

                  Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                  Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                  That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                  alesssia@mas.to
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                  #70

                  @david_chisnall @tante can you please point me to the exact wording? I need it for a workshop I'm preparing, thanks!

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                    https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                    green_red_black@kolektiva.social
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                    #71

                    @tante
                    Will be interesting to see how the Corpos will resolve this.

                    I am assuming the ruling becomes EU wide down the road.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                      https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                      carlopiana@mastodon.uno
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                      #72

                      @tante according to that applicable law, I can't see how a different outcome would have been possible.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                        https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                        moah@mastodon.gamedev.place
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                        #73

                        @tante I can't wait for this to apply to ai encouraging suicide or school shootings, or giving fake diagnoses, etc.

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                        • P peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz

                          @meredith @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante But East Asian earwax is different from European and African earwax, so the tools and techniques are different. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know-general-science/your-earwax-and-sweat-have-something-smelly-common

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                          meredith@famichiki.jp
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                          #74

                          @PeterLudemann @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante Right, which is why I mentioned the different tool and the danger of eardrum puncture vs the added Q-tip danger of leaving the fibers in the ears.

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                          • sebastian@mastodon.ccS sebastian@mastodon.cc

                            @david_chisnall @tante

                            Indeed no other industry or product could get away with that ... - let us just hope that this court's view is upheld through future instances

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                            sebastian@social.itu.dk
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                            #75

                            @sebastian@mastodon.cc @david_chisnall @tante

                            also,
                            Note that this is not a final court ruling, just a so called "preliminary injunction" (einstweilige Verfügung) by a relatively low-ranking court -
                            there are unfortunately many ways in which this could be overturned.

                            #Google #AI #court #germany

                            Court ruling:

                            https://the-decoder.de/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/26_O_869_26_begl_Abschrift_Urteil_v_28_05_2026_Geschwaerzt_Geschwaerzt_Geschwaerzt.pdf

                            context, german:

                            https://www.golem.de/news/google-stoererhaftung-gilt-nicht-fuer-ki-uebersicht-von-suchergebnissen-2606-209625.html

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