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  • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

    @osma
    Don't agree. Many parents don't care.

    Governments don't allow children to smoke, so why not put a ban on SM for children?

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    #6

    @marc_eu @osma
    smoking is not safe for adults either.

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    • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

      Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
      https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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      #7

      @osma Thank you. Once again, governments/politicians will do everything but hold power to account. Far easier to pin the blame on, and control the behaviors of, the victims/vulnerable.

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      • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

        Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
        https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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        #8

        @osma
        It's Epstein logic where the sicko rich men are sheltered to continue their evil, and the kids are victimized by losing access.

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        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

          Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
          https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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          #9

          @osma and with us.

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          • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

            Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
            https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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            #10

            @osma You’re almost there… but you’ve missed the core point.

            Safety isn’t just about “what platforms do with data” … it’s about power asymmetry. Children are vulnerable because they lack agency, not because adults are equally exposed.

            If everything is unsafe for everyone, you dilute responsibility. Adults choose… children don’t.

            Regulation should reflect that difference, not erase it.

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            • elcelio@mastodon.unoE elcelio@mastodon.uno

              @marc_eu @osma
              smoking is not safe for adults either.

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              #11

              @elCelio Indeed. And at least in Finland, the idea is that we want to ban smoking altogether. Slowly we make it more and more difficult for companies to market and sell smoking products, because we know they are not good for anyone.

              Not so with social media. It’s good for anyone to connect with other people. We just want to remove the exploitation.

              @marc_eu @osma

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              • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                #12

                @osma Filtering is a form of "ban". It's basic #BehavioralScience, which there is far too little of.

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                • zenfin@mementomori.socialZ zenfin@mementomori.social

                  @elCelio Indeed. And at least in Finland, the idea is that we want to ban smoking altogether. Slowly we make it more and more difficult for companies to market and sell smoking products, because we know they are not good for anyone.

                  Not so with social media. It’s good for anyone to connect with other people. We just want to remove the exploitation.

                  @marc_eu @osma

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                  #13

                  @zenfin @marc_eu @osma

                  social media is the new global town square.

                  how much should it be controlled and regulated by private corporations?

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                  • elcelio@mastodon.unoE elcelio@mastodon.uno

                    @zenfin @marc_eu @osma

                    social media is the new global town square.

                    how much should it be controlled and regulated by private corporations?

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                    #14

                    RE: https://mas.to/@osma/116095472833326752

                    The editorial control by a corporation is what defines media, including social media. Nothing that is controlled by a private corporation can be a "town square", never mind a global one.
                    @elCelio @zenfin @marc_eu

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                    • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                      RE: https://mas.to/@osma/116095472833326752

                      The editorial control by a corporation is what defines media, including social media. Nothing that is controlled by a private corporation can be a "town square", never mind a global one.
                      @elCelio @zenfin @marc_eu

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                      #15

                      @osma @zenfin @marc_eu
                      yes, this is my point.

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                      • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                        Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                        https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                        #16

                        @osma Correct. All this age restriction is just cope to avoid regulating the platforms themselves.

                        Either aomebody is looking for a payout, or more likely, afraid of the wrath of social media companies could pull on their election campaigns if they ’oppose’ them.

                        At least somebody still got some guts.

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                        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                          Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                          https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                          #17
                          @osma Maybe there's something to that "digital republic" mystique.
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                          • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                            Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                            https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                            #18

                            @osma
                            I don’t know if we can call a country that turns over their educational system to chatGPT “correct”.
                            #bigtech #chatGPT #education #estonia #socialmedia #safety

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                            • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                              Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                              https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                              #19

                              Here's a good longer piece explaining why age verification solves nothing for children's safety, puts all of us at risk, violates fundamental privacy protections and lets the bad actors, "social" ad platforms off the hook. By @zackwhittaker
                              https://this.weekinsecurity.com/papers-please-age-verification-laws-threaten-everyones-online-security-and-privacy/

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                              • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                Here's a good longer piece explaining why age verification solves nothing for children's safety, puts all of us at risk, violates fundamental privacy protections and lets the bad actors, "social" ad platforms off the hook. By @zackwhittaker
                                https://this.weekinsecurity.com/papers-please-age-verification-laws-threaten-everyones-online-security-and-privacy/

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                                #20

                                @osma @zackwhittaker And the framework to enforce it will be the tombstone of Liberty and Democracy in the West.

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