@benroyce I feel so desperately sorry for this man.
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And there was no agreement about NATO not expanding East. There was only a comment in a letter that was in the context of German re-unification. Not that NATO would never accept members from further East of some arbitrary line.
The biggest driver for countries applying to join NATO is threats from Putin, the derisable cockalorum.
You make it sound very casual.
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/40/4/7/12126/Deal-or-No-Deal-The-End-of-the-Cold-War-and-the-U
You look at this map and you think 'holy shit Russia is trying to take over Europe!'? It reminds me of another area of the world where there used to be a good number of bases around a country "for defensive purposes".
https://germanhistorydocs.org/en/a-new-germany-1990-2023/nato-s-eastward-expansion-2004
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You make it sound very casual.
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/40/4/7/12126/Deal-or-No-Deal-The-End-of-the-Cold-War-and-the-U
You look at this map and you think 'holy shit Russia is trying to take over Europe!'? It reminds me of another area of the world where there used to be a good number of bases around a country "for defensive purposes".
https://germanhistorydocs.org/en/a-new-germany-1990-2023/nato-s-eastward-expansion-2004
Lol, poor reply. Not surprised.
Putin is a war criminal. He sacrifices thousands of Russians each month simply for his own ego. Too weak to admit to his overseas assassinations. Can't back his pals in Iran. Is failing in Africa.
He's turned Russia from a feared superpower into a weak, depleted, impoverished, increasingly isolated backwater. Even the other BRICS countries are backing away. Russia might as well just surrender to China now. They've got most of the cards.
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Lol, poor reply. Not surprised.
Putin is a war criminal. He sacrifices thousands of Russians each month simply for his own ego. Too weak to admit to his overseas assassinations. Can't back his pals in Iran. Is failing in Africa.
He's turned Russia from a feared superpower into a weak, depleted, impoverished, increasingly isolated backwater. Even the other BRICS countries are backing away. Russia might as well just surrender to China now. They've got most of the cards.
Talk about poor replies, you didn't even bother to respond to me, you simply spouted anti putin blabla.
I would like to know more about this 'other BRICS countries are backing away' bit. I'd appreciate your source.
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Sure. Would you like some sugar with that?
@Fou_ad @benroyce Don’t know, don’t care, it was a flip remark. In the off chance you’re not an algorithm, you should know that pretending like you didn’t say that you think Ukraine’s DIPLOMACY (not democracy) should be subject to Putin’s approval and this is a legitimate reason to murder Ukrainians exposes you as a #RussianTroll and you can go fuck yourself.
Sorry but your attempts to sealion me into a serious debate have failed. GFY #RussianTroll
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@clintruin @weyoun6 @frequencyfault @quizzicus
which you get BY VOTING. you want el-sayed right? so you tell people to get off their fucking asses and vote for the democrat el-sayed
right?
you understand that is what works?
and "everything the same nothing matters nothing changes waah waah waah" is just useless empty loser shit, right?
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@clintruin @weyoun6 @frequencyfault @quizzicus
so you're just openly embracing your identity as an immature edgelord
which is fine. you do you
but why be a pathetic edgelord about american politics. why not manga or pop music or food trucks?
do you experience validation via negative feedback? you get called a moron and it fills you with the warm and fuzzies?
i'm glad to help out then, my friend:
you're a loser
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I believe I gave some decently reliable sources for my arguments.
It still might be wrong but at least its an attempt at something constructive.
I can't say as much about most people on this thread that prefer ad-hominem attacks. -
I believe I gave some decently reliable sources for my arguments.
It still might be wrong but at least its an attempt at something constructive.
I can't say as much about most people on this thread that prefer ad-hominem attacks.honest question
say some douchebag came here and started saying israel's genocide of palestinians was appropriate. or even deserved! that, somehow, palestinians are to blame
and they had "sources," whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean
and of course this "calm" "reasonable" voice then clutched their pearls at not receiving the "proper" respect for the excrement coming out of their mouth:
what would your reaction be to that kind of hilarious and stupid behavior, my dear friend?
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honest question
say some douchebag came here and started saying israel's genocide of palestinians was appropriate. or even deserved! that, somehow, palestinians are to blame
and they had "sources," whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean
and of course this "calm" "reasonable" voice then clutched their pearls at not receiving the "proper" respect for the excrement coming out of their mouth:
what would your reaction be to that kind of hilarious and stupid behavior, my dear friend?
Guess what, there are plenty such douchebags and it is quite exasperating. Yet, I engage with their arguments and try to show how absolutely fucking absurd they are.
The difference i see here is that at no point did I utter such nonsense as you are trying to impart to me.
The "sources" i shared are about specific topics trying to show how one party has been demonized by our media for a long time and that possibly there is some shenanigans happening behind the scenes. Like Iran.1/
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honest question
say some douchebag came here and started saying israel's genocide of palestinians was appropriate. or even deserved! that, somehow, palestinians are to blame
and they had "sources," whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean
and of course this "calm" "reasonable" voice then clutched their pearls at not receiving the "proper" respect for the excrement coming out of their mouth:
what would your reaction be to that kind of hilarious and stupid behavior, my dear friend?
You dont have to agree with me, but to compare what I said to genocidal rhetoric is absurd.
I said nothing about Ukranians deserving to be killed. Thankfully I am able to differentiate between a government and its people.
Russia has committed atrocities. Ukraine has committed atrocities. Europe is not innocent. The US is certainly culpable.
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Again, your reading comprehension is pathetic.
Europe and the US, aka NATO has been moving their bases closer to Russia since the end of the cold war. (Of course its democracy at work). If you can't even *consider the possibility* that the dipshits running those institutions have been pushing for war to line their pockets then you are too far gone to make a difference in your upcoming fascism.
I wish you nothing at all. I could care less.
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Again, your reading comprehension is pathetic.
Europe and the US, aka NATO has been moving their bases closer to Russia since the end of the cold war. (Of course its democracy at work). If you can't even *consider the possibility* that the dipshits running those institutions have been pushing for war to line their pockets then you are too far gone to make a difference in your upcoming fascism.
I wish you nothing at all. I could care less.
NATO did not expand East
What happened is Eastern European countries ran kicking and screaming and banging on the door to be let in to NATO
Now I want you to use that big brain of yours and figure out why, you pathetic shitstain
What were those countries worried about? What happened to Ukraine?
What does Putin's boot taste like, shitstain?
Why are you so fucking dumb? Why do you think reversing victim and offender works on anyone except complete morons?
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NATO did not expand East
What happened is Eastern European countries ran kicking and screaming and banging on the door to be let in to NATO
Now I want you to use that big brain of yours and figure out why, you pathetic shitstain
What were those countries worried about? What happened to Ukraine?
What does Putin's boot taste like, shitstain?
Why are you so fucking dumb? Why do you think reversing victim and offender works on anyone except complete morons?
Thats funny. Yet the end result is NATO expanded east.
Thats the fact. Everything else is potential BS.
My question would be wtf does Russia want with Europe? The inexistant resources? While Russia has a fucking continent and everything they could need? Oh I forget, Putin is a land hungry ghoul. Thats it, thats the excuse?
Again, the current result is its the Western bases that moved closer to Russia.
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So you think all those people you mention wanted what their governments decided? Where the hell are you from again? You agree with every decision your government has taken?
How many Ukrainians were against joining NATO? How many are native Russian speakers? How many of those were killed by Ukrainian militias?
As in any other geopolitical arena, things arent as clear as you seem to depict.
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So you think all those people you mention wanted what their governments decided? Where the hell are you from again? You agree with every decision your government has taken?
How many Ukrainians were against joining NATO? How many are native Russian speakers? How many of those were killed by Ukrainian militias?
As in any other geopolitical arena, things arent as clear as you seem to depict.
An exception might be made for Israel. Though even I need to acknowledge that it isnt."So you think all those people you mention wanted what their governments decided?"
Absolutely. Romanians Estonians Slovaks etc do not want to be raped and genocided like Ukrainians are by Russian troops
Oh wait! That's NATO's fault. They make Russia commit mass murdering imperialism
️Are you completely ignorant about Russia but open your stupid mouth anyways? Or do you know about Russia but desperately shovel hilarious stupid lies to protect Russian colonialism? Which is it friend?
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@frequencyfault @clintruin @quizzicus so you won't vote, which supports the GOP, who are far worse on every measure you list. so you really don't care at all about everything you listed. you're just a stupid useless piece of shit
you're not a leftist. you lack the brain capacity. you're weak. mentally weak
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"So you think all those people you mention wanted what their governments decided?"
Absolutely. Romanians Estonians Slovaks etc do not want to be raped and genocided like Ukrainians are by Russian troops
Oh wait! That's NATO's fault. They make Russia commit mass murdering imperialism
️Are you completely ignorant about Russia but open your stupid mouth anyways? Or do you know about Russia but desperately shovel hilarious stupid lies to protect Russian colonialism? Which is it friend?
Repeating claims without proper sourcing for any of your arguments makes you the moron.
It aint true simply cause you say so in a crude way.
I am willing to change my mind but you arent contributing anything meaningful for me to be able to do so.
If you tried to engage with my arguments we couldve perhaps gotten somewhere. As it stands I can only conclude that emotions drive your thinking processes and that makes you easy to manipulate. Shame, cause you seem to care for (some) humans -
Repeating claims without proper sourcing for any of your arguments makes you the moron.
It aint true simply cause you say so in a crude way.
I am willing to change my mind but you arent contributing anything meaningful for me to be able to do so.
If you tried to engage with my arguments we couldve perhaps gotten somewhere. As it stands I can only conclude that emotions drive your thinking processes and that makes you easy to manipulate. Shame, cause you seem to care for (some) humans"Repeating claims without proper sourcing"
I stopped reading here
Bro, repeat after me: "I don't know the first fucking thing about Russia but I keep opening my fat fucking mouth on the topic"
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"Repeating claims without proper sourcing"
I stopped reading here
Bro, repeat after me: "I don't know the first fucking thing about Russia but I keep opening my fat fucking mouth on the topic"
Hilarious. You're a drone. Seemingly incapable of original thought.
At least thats what it means to be unable to use and question proper arguments and sources.
