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  3. Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards Guards" to my fairly high-brow literary students.

Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards Guards" to my fairly high-brow literary students.

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    #1

    Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

    Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

    Didactic suggestions?

    petergray@mastodon.greenP misusecase@twit.socialM jenspoder@masto.nuJ ? jannem@fosstodon.orgJ 7 Replies Last reply
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    • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

      Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

      Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

      Didactic suggestions?

      petergray@mastodon.greenP This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @SuneAuken

      Give them some of these to explore

      https://www.lspace.org/books/apf/guards-guards.html

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      • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

        Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

        Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

        Didactic suggestions?

        misusecase@twit.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        misusecase@twit.social
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        #3

        @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu “What would non-ABAC policing look like?”

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        • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

          Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

          Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

          Didactic suggestions?

          jenspoder@masto.nuJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @SuneAuken Amazing. It is on my top three Discworld books.

          Small Gods is also great. And of course Going Postal.

          Sadly we weren't taught these course in my time at Literature Science.

          Do you have other favourites?

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          • jenspoder@masto.nuJ jenspoder@masto.nu

            @SuneAuken Amazing. It is on my top three Discworld books.

            Small Gods is also great. And of course Going Postal.

            Sadly we weren't taught these course in my time at Literature Science.

            Do you have other favourites?

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            #5

            @jenspoder

            Oh, that's hard to choose.

            I have a hard time choosing. Also, I'm still down 15 or so of the novels, and I haven't even touched the Witches Series yet.

            I have a decided taste for the City Watch-series, and I find myself re-reading them before i read on in the rest of the novels. They use the setting so brilliantly and their loving parody i unmatched.

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            • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

              @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu “What would non-ABAC policing look like?”

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              #6

              @MisuseCase @schmidt_fu

              Forgive the igoramus here. What does ABAC stand for? I can't seem to find the right meaning in a search.

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              • petergray@mastodon.greenP petergray@mastodon.green

                @SuneAuken

                Give them some of these to explore

                https://www.lspace.org/books/apf/guards-guards.html

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                #7

                @PeterGray

                Oh they are great. There are some references there I missed. Thanks.

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                • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                  Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

                  Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

                  Didactic suggestions?

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                  #8

                  @SuneAuken

                  I just finished reading Guards! Guards! for the first time about 20 minutes ago. I've been recommended it many times over the years but only finally got to it.

                  Your highbrow literary students ought to have plenty to say about it as a satire and parable of world politics, especially contemporary politics. Amoral elites in a power struggle with other elites appeal to the basest impulses of stupid and shortsighted petit-bourgeois to summon a gold-obsessed monster which immediately turns on them and installs itself as king while murdering the populace, all while much of the public decides to be fine with it. It couldn't be more apt if Pratchett had written it today.

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                    @SuneAuken

                    I just finished reading Guards! Guards! for the first time about 20 minutes ago. I've been recommended it many times over the years but only finally got to it.

                    Your highbrow literary students ought to have plenty to say about it as a satire and parable of world politics, especially contemporary politics. Amoral elites in a power struggle with other elites appeal to the basest impulses of stupid and shortsighted petit-bourgeois to summon a gold-obsessed monster which immediately turns on them and installs itself as king while murdering the populace, all while much of the public decides to be fine with it. It couldn't be more apt if Pratchett had written it today.

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                    #9

                    @biogeo

                    Absolutely agree.

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                      @SuneAuken

                      I just finished reading Guards! Guards! for the first time about 20 minutes ago. I've been recommended it many times over the years but only finally got to it.

                      Your highbrow literary students ought to have plenty to say about it as a satire and parable of world politics, especially contemporary politics. Amoral elites in a power struggle with other elites appeal to the basest impulses of stupid and shortsighted petit-bourgeois to summon a gold-obsessed monster which immediately turns on them and installs itself as king while murdering the populace, all while much of the public decides to be fine with it. It couldn't be more apt if Pratchett had written it today.

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                      #10

                      @biogeo @SuneAuken Sir Terry Pratchett were magnificent. RIP.
                      IMHO the guards books are all great. Apart from that I can recommend Moving Pictures, The Truth & Going Postal. The latter being his finest work.

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                      • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                        @MisuseCase @schmidt_fu

                        Forgive the igoramus here. What does ABAC stand for? I can't seem to find the right meaning in a search.

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                        #11

                        @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu All Cops Are Bastards

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                          @biogeo @SuneAuken Sir Terry Pratchett were magnificent. RIP.
                          IMHO the guards books are all great. Apart from that I can recommend Moving Pictures, The Truth & Going Postal. The latter being his finest work.

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                          #12

                          @johnrohde @biogeo

                          Going Postal is great, but not my favorite by some distance. Fortunately, literary quality is not an objective measure and we are actually allowed to be of different opinions.

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                          • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                            @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu All Cops Are Bastards

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                            #13

                            @MisuseCase @schmidt_fu

                            Ah ok. So "ACAB", nor "ABAC". Explains why I could not find it.

                            Thank you for explaining. I think seeing the City Watch-series as some kind of Theory of Practical Policing is a valid approach.

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                            • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                              Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

                              Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

                              Didactic suggestions?

                              jannem@fosstodon.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @SuneAuken
                              Maybe one angle could be how it subverts archetypal story elements. The cardboard-cutout city guard become the main characters; the lone hero with a sword and a Destiny becomes one of a group; the people pushing for a traditional happy ending are the villains and so on.

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                              • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                                @MisuseCase @schmidt_fu

                                Ah ok. So "ACAB", nor "ABAC". Explains why I could not find it.

                                Thank you for explaining. I think seeing the City Watch-series as some kind of Theory of Practical Policing is a valid approach.

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                                #15

                                @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu Did I do the acronym for “Attribute-Based Access Control?” Geez. I should not get those two mixed up LOL

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                                • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                                  @SuneAuken @schmidt_fu Did I do the acronym for “Attribute-Based Access Control?” Geez. I should not get those two mixed up LOL

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                                  #16

                                  @MisuseCase @schmidt_fu

                                  Lol.

                                  Yeah. That's what i got too when i searched. I really couldn't match it with Pratchett.

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                                  • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

                                    @SuneAuken
                                    Maybe one angle could be how it subverts archetypal story elements. The cardboard-cutout city guard become the main characters; the lone hero with a sword and a Destiny becomes one of a group; the people pushing for a traditional happy ending are the villains and so on.

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                                    #17

                                    @jannem

                                    Yeah. The course is on genre and interpretation so that approach is quite likely to be there too.

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                                    • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                                      Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

                                      Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

                                      Didactic suggestions?

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                                      #18

                                      @SuneAuken

                                      Unseen Academicals

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                                      • suneauken@mastodon.worldS suneauken@mastodon.world

                                        Ok, so Thursday I'll be teaching Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" to my fairly high-brow literary students. My task will be to show them that it is a wonderful piece of literature.

                                        Personally, I adore it, but it may take a bit of work to get my students around.

                                        Didactic suggestions?

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                                        #19

                                        @SuneAuken Personally I'd be sold on "We're doing Guards! Guards!" but a choice quote might be, "But in cynicism and general world weariness, which is a sort of carbon dating of the personality, he was about seven thousand years old."
                                        - Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

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                                        • freequaybuoy@mastodon.socialF freequaybuoy@mastodon.social

                                          @SuneAuken Personally I'd be sold on "We're doing Guards! Guards!" but a choice quote might be, "But in cynicism and general world weariness, which is a sort of carbon dating of the personality, he was about seven thousand years old."
                                          - Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

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                                          #20

                                          @SuneAuken Or
                                          "Several times he had to flatten himself against the shelves as a thesaurus thundered by. He waited patiently as a herd of Critters crawled past, grazing on the contents of the choicer books and leaving behind them piles of small slim volumes of literary criticism."
                                          - Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

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