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  • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

    @davidnjoku

    What does capitalism have to do with the fact most people are stupid enough to get locked into a walled garden where they don't really buy anything but pay for a subscription?

    What does capitalism have to do with the fact that we are being pushed into a future where we essentially own nothing and we're supposed to be happy about it?

    Neither of these things are a fundamental part of capitalism.

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    #11

    @Kalki_Rider They seem directly connected, to me. Capitalism causes both of them.

    @davidnjoku

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    • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

      @Kalki_Rider They seem directly connected, to me. Capitalism causes both of them.

      @davidnjoku

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      #12

      @woozle @davidnjoku Then you don't know the definition of capitalism. In capitalism, owning things is generally seen as a good thing.

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      • nowster@fedi.nowster.me.ukN nowster@fedi.nowster.me.uk
        @davidnjoku@mastodon.world Many libraries were originally sponsored by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie.
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        #13

        @nowster @davidnjoku

        ‘Andrew Carnegie supported libraries because he believed access to knowledge was essential for self-improvement, merit-based success, and community advancement. As a formerly poor immigrant, he credited his own success to having free access to books, calling libraries "ladders upon which the aspiring may climb"’ Wikipedia

        These ideas really didn’t used to be controversial or identifiable with a particular side of the political spectrum.

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        • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

          Random thought.

          If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

          Support your local library.

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          #14

          @davidnjoku

          And create new ones.

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          • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

            Random thought.

            If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

            Support your local library.

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            #15

            @davidnjoku “Imagine there was no such thing as a library, and that members of the current neoliberal policy consensus were to sit down today and invent it.”

            https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/citizen-coupon

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            • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

              @woozle @davidnjoku Then you don't know the definition of capitalism. In capitalism, owning things is generally seen as a good thing.

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              #16

              @Kalki_Rider

              Yes, that is correct. Capitalism says nothing, however, about ensuring that ownership is equitable, fair, or even common.

              @davidnjoku

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              • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

                @Kalki_Rider

                Yes, that is correct. Capitalism says nothing, however, about ensuring that ownership is equitable, fair, or even common.

                @davidnjoku

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                #17

                @woozle @davidnjoku Well then, on the same token, Communism and Socialism must both fundamentally lead to totalitarianism.

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                • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                  @woozle @davidnjoku Well then, on the same token, Communism and Socialism must both fundamentally lead to totalitarianism.

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                  #18

                  @Kalki_Rider

                  Why would you suggest that socialism leads to totalitarianism?

                  @davidnjoku

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                  • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                    Random thought.

                    If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                    Support your local library.

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                    #19

                    @davidnjoku

                    Oddly many towns main public library was built with funding from one of the original slave driving capitalists like JJHill. More or less as monuments to themselves.

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                    • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                      Random thought.

                      If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                      Support your local library.

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                      #20

                      @davidnjoku @MeaningfulBits

                      Free books? That’s some super socialist shit, there!

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                      • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

                        @Kalki_Rider

                        Why would you suggest that socialism leads to totalitarianism?

                        @davidnjoku

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                        #21

                        @woozle @davidnjoku Show me where it hasn't.

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                        • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                          @woozle @davidnjoku Show me where it hasn't.

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                          #22

                          @Kalki_Rider All of Scandinavia?

                          You're viewing our current situation in a short-sighted way. Paying for subs means we're basically renting... from the rich person who owns the material or rights.

                          The landlord is a part of capitalism.

                          @woozle @davidnjoku

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                          • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                            @Kalki_Rider All of Scandinavia?

                            You're viewing our current situation in a short-sighted way. Paying for subs means we're basically renting... from the rich person who owns the material or rights.

                            The landlord is a part of capitalism.

                            @woozle @davidnjoku

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                            #23

                            @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Scandinavia doesn't exactly have the best speech laws. Let alone privacy.

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                            • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                              @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Scandinavia doesn't exactly have the best speech laws. Let alone privacy.

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                              #24

                              @Kalki_Rider They're better off than where we are, and worlds better than where we're going.

                              @woozle @davidnjoku

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                              • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                                @Kalki_Rider They're better off than where we are, and worlds better than where we're going.

                                @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                #25

                                @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku No, they are not. Say the wrong thing there and the police will come to your door. Fail to comply with their complaints and you will suffer. This is not freedom.

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                                • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                                  @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku No, they are not. Say the wrong thing there and the police will come to your door. Fail to comply with their complaints and you will suffer. This is not freedom.

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                                  #26

                                  @Kalki_Rider They are the strongest democracies in the world, with the highest dedication to human rights.

                                  I don't know where you are, but my US is failing in both metrics, rapidly.

                                  @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                  • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                                    Random thought.

                                    If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                                    Support your local library.

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                                    @davidnjoku I had an acquaintance in Oregon, whose county decided to vote to cut taxes, gutting the library's budget.

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                                    • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                                      @Kalki_Rider They are the strongest democracies in the world, with the highest dedication to human rights.

                                      I don't know where you are, but my US is failing in both metrics, rapidly.

                                      @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                      #28

                                      @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Human rights which don't include freedom of speech or expression. Also, they are a nation of no account or importance.

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                                      • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                                        @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Human rights which don't include freedom of speech or expression. Also, they are a nation of no account or importance.

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                                        #29

                                        @Kalki_Rider I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about.

                                        Scandinavia is not "a nation". They are multiple nations. The strongest democracies. The highest rankings for human rights. The happiest citizens, well-educated and healthy, with high trust for their governments. Because they fought for, and won, socialist democracies.

                                        Everything you've said otherwise describes the US, a toxic capitalism falling into totalitarianism via the few who own everything.

                                        @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                        • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                                          @Kalki_Rider I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about.

                                          Scandinavia is not "a nation". They are multiple nations. The strongest democracies. The highest rankings for human rights. The happiest citizens, well-educated and healthy, with high trust for their governments. Because they fought for, and won, socialist democracies.

                                          Everything you've said otherwise describes the US, a toxic capitalism falling into totalitarianism via the few who own everything.

                                          @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                          #30

                                          @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku It is of no account. And, it is not a free democracy. Call it what you like, but it's no better than any other European cesspit as far as freedom goes.

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