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  • mossman@social.vivaldi.netM mossman@social.vivaldi.net

    @0xabad1dea "2) Open windows on opposite walls of the house, prop open the interior doors with something heavy, get a cross-breeze going. (Yes, the curtains may get flappy. I tucked the end of a long one under my bed mattress to mitigate this)"

    This may be true for an open-plan house, but I disagree if you have multiple rooms and corridors... Better then to isolate the rooms getting heat by closing the doors to them! After ventilating the whole house in the early hours, we close all the doors and windows during the day and stay in the cooler rooms. E.g. our living room is currently 10 deg C cooler than the outside air tempertaure so no way opening any windows will help there... but our kitchen is easily 5+ deg C warmer than the living room towards evening and leaving that door open makes everywhere feel hot.

    Then overnight, when the outside air cools off, we can open everything up and ventilate.

    Mind you, I say this sitting in the upstairs office which is 33 deg C - because that's where the monitors are. Mini fan to the rescue...

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    @mossman @0xabad1dea this is also the advice from the Dutch government

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    • cyberpunker@mastodon.socialC cyberpunker@mastodon.social

      @jt_rebelo @0xabad1dea Not really, i just opened two windows with those blankets on them and touched the blankets. The window frame is warmer, the blankets are cool.
      How would they heat up, they reflect 99% of the heat radiation.

      Edit: It is very important to put the blankets on the outside, never on the inside, that would cause the glass to heat up!

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      #60

      @CyberPunker those might not, but the blankets aren't all made the same way. Thankfully yours work as they should.
      You might imagine how many times I've seen or learned of people getting hurt because they used something that should work one way and it doesn't when needed (tourniquets, thermal blankets, crabs/carabiners, pocket tools, cirurgical or filtered masks, etc.). Some more worrying than others, more deadly than others.
      @0xabad1dea

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      • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

        @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea Or your forearms, even. 😉

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        #61

        @tantramar @zwils @0xabad1dea Yeah, that would be the better option.

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        • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

          @0xabad1dea and exterior window coverings are also essential (can't highlight it enough, it has to be stuck on the outside, be it with tape or more permanent solutions - or you risk creating a greenhouse effect -, using something like kids' drawing paper, the one that comes in big rolls, it works as shading, if you don't have it, something else, the more opaque the better, like packing cardboard, can be used). It does wonders on the outside of the windows, preferably with a small air gap in between to manage higher outside temperatures, stopping sunlight from coming directly into contact with the windows' glass, reducing the temperatures drastically (I live in southwestern Europe and most windows have external roller shades because of it, some of those shades are even insulated themselves to protect the windows behind them).
          Alternatively, a living trellis (it's not just a skill on Elder Scrolls games eheh) right in front of the windows reduces temperatures and gives some good shade.

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          #62

          @0xabad1dea or this
          https://infosec.exchange/@avuko/116810983522363744

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          • barnesmaurice@mastodonapp.ukB barnesmaurice@mastodonapp.uk

            @tantramar @zwils @0xabad1dea Yeah, that would be the better option.

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            #63

            @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea 😜

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            • 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange0 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange

              Dutch people. Peoples of the North, who lack a strong cultural awareness of how to handle heat waves. Please heed my words

              1) Pull all the curtains closed. Reflect sunlight away from the windows. Tape up a bedsheet or something if you don't have curtains or blinds (not that rare in the Netherlands)

              2) Open windows on opposite walls of the house, prop open the interior doors with something heavy, get a cross-breeze going. (Yes, the curtains may get flappy. I tucked the end of a long one under my bed mattress to mitigate this)

              3) Take a quick shower with water that is only slightly warmed (neither ice cold nor steaming hot). Do this two, three, four times a day if you have to.

              4) Similarly, drinking water that is ice cold may sound good but it's liable to give you stomach cramps when you're very hot. Your drinking water shouldn't be more than slightly cool.

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              #64

              @0xabad1dea Wrong. Have cold showers and drink cold water, a lot of water. Put a wet cloth on your body. Put your feet in a bucket of water. Use an electric fan. If you must exercise in the heat, drink a lot of water, and wear a hat and sunscreen. All my life I've lived in hot countries: Australia and Thailand. Learn from us.

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              • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea 😜

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                #65

                @tantramar @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea Most people in Europe don't have firearms, so can't put them in the sink.

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                • holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH holliek72@mastodonapp.uk

                  @tantramar @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea Most people in Europe don't have firearms, so can't put them in the sink.

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                  #66

                  @HollieK72 @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea And that’s a good thing.

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                  • pepijndevos@freeradical.zoneP pepijndevos@freeradical.zone

                    @lambda I was thinking of wetting the OUTSIDE walls to make them cool down. Inside... yea you could hang wet laundry to dry I guess. I guess air chillers work on this principle and aren't very effective right 🤔

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                    #67

                    @pepijndevos @lambda Not hanging wet laundry to dry inside in high humidity, because it results in a light sheen of water on the floor.

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                    • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                      @HollieK72 @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea And that’s a good thing.

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                      #68

                      @tantramar @barnesmaurice @zwils @0xabad1dea

                      👍

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                      • 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange0 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange

                        y'all I know that if you have AC (most houses here don't) then obviously the windows should stay closed, or if you have good insulation (lol, whoever rated our apartment was clearly doing some creative math to avoid falling beneath the current legal minimum) that not opening the windows might work out better, assuming you did close the curtains.

                        But right now Northern Europe is full of people sitting in greenhouse ovens who tell themselves that opening the windows would be counter-productive because outside is where the heat is 🙃 I have spent most of my life in places with hot, humid summers like we're having in NL right now and I know what to do when there's no AC. I'm cool and comfortable at the moment in a house with no AC and poor insulation because I'm very proactive about getting the curtains closed and windows open early in the morning before sun hitting glass starts to heat up the house.

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                        #69

                        @0xabad1dea AC would be my preferred option, but that's not available in most houses, so it's all the other measures to deal with the heat. As though we'd be sitting here in AC houses with the windows open! 🤣

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                        • 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange0 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange

                          Dutch people. Peoples of the North, who lack a strong cultural awareness of how to handle heat waves. Please heed my words

                          1) Pull all the curtains closed. Reflect sunlight away from the windows. Tape up a bedsheet or something if you don't have curtains or blinds (not that rare in the Netherlands)

                          2) Open windows on opposite walls of the house, prop open the interior doors with something heavy, get a cross-breeze going. (Yes, the curtains may get flappy. I tucked the end of a long one under my bed mattress to mitigate this)

                          3) Take a quick shower with water that is only slightly warmed (neither ice cold nor steaming hot). Do this two, three, four times a day if you have to.

                          4) Similarly, drinking water that is ice cold may sound good but it's liable to give you stomach cramps when you're very hot. Your drinking water shouldn't be more than slightly cool.

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                          #70

                          @0xabad1dea Trick I learned a long time ago too is a "whole house fan". I made one by sticking a box fan into the attic entry. You blow into the attic.

                          This pulls a light breeze into every open window. A real fan has a lot more power but it does the trick. It also pushes the hot air accumulating in the attic out its breather holes.

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                          • 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange0 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange

                            Dutch people. Peoples of the North, who lack a strong cultural awareness of how to handle heat waves. Please heed my words

                            1) Pull all the curtains closed. Reflect sunlight away from the windows. Tape up a bedsheet or something if you don't have curtains or blinds (not that rare in the Netherlands)

                            2) Open windows on opposite walls of the house, prop open the interior doors with something heavy, get a cross-breeze going. (Yes, the curtains may get flappy. I tucked the end of a long one under my bed mattress to mitigate this)

                            3) Take a quick shower with water that is only slightly warmed (neither ice cold nor steaming hot). Do this two, three, four times a day if you have to.

                            4) Similarly, drinking water that is ice cold may sound good but it's liable to give you stomach cramps when you're very hot. Your drinking water shouldn't be more than slightly cool.

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                            #71

                            @0xabad1dea It always fascinates me whenever I'm in the Netherlands just how easy it is to look into a random person's home for the giant windows and the lack of curtains.

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                            • 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange0 0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange

                              Dutch people. Peoples of the North, who lack a strong cultural awareness of how to handle heat waves. Please heed my words

                              1) Pull all the curtains closed. Reflect sunlight away from the windows. Tape up a bedsheet or something if you don't have curtains or blinds (not that rare in the Netherlands)

                              2) Open windows on opposite walls of the house, prop open the interior doors with something heavy, get a cross-breeze going. (Yes, the curtains may get flappy. I tucked the end of a long one under my bed mattress to mitigate this)

                              3) Take a quick shower with water that is only slightly warmed (neither ice cold nor steaming hot). Do this two, three, four times a day if you have to.

                              4) Similarly, drinking water that is ice cold may sound good but it's liable to give you stomach cramps when you're very hot. Your drinking water shouldn't be more than slightly cool.

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                              #72

                              @0xabad1dea Open windows and cool house overnight. Close everything down before the sun hits your home. You can purchase reflecting anti-sun/heat (read the numbers) static cling window film to reduce the sun/heat from radiating inside. It can be an option without awnings or outdoor shading. We also use room darkening shades to deny heat entry. Curtains on top of film and shades is a trifecta.

                              I have found submerging my head under water quickly reduces core body temperature - but be careful, don't drown.

                              A squirt or two of 70% rubbing alcohol mixed with a basin of cold or cool water amplifies the cooling sensation and can remove body oils that may impede evaporation - but use caution, it's also drying and can damage skin.

                              Good luck!

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