There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it.
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@quixoticgeek @NatureMC @afewbugs Sure. But every AED I’ve seen (have trained with them for decades) has easy to understand numbered pictures and if it’s set up incorrectly, it won’t function. The biggest delay is usually a group of people standing around waiting for someone else to act. If you start acting, even with a language barrier, that will break that and if another person is there and understands the language, they would then step in to help.
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@afewbugs @BashStKid I think some of the reluctance to acting is fear of liability (either for inappropriate touching, or injuring someone through misuse). In the US, at least, while laws differ between states, Good Samaritan laws protect people who take good faith action to help. Though, on the flip side, people are also legally protected when they DON’T act to help. There is no legal duty to help save a life (though there may be a moral one.)
@IcooIey @afewbugs @BashStKid yes , I’ve seen something similar before and it suggest men were or would be hesitant.
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@BashStKid I really think it should be taught in schools and workplaces rather than something most people have to pay privately to get
@afewbugs I may be showing my age, then, as I did learn first aid in school, in Scouts, and at work.
The most important lesson being don’t be scared, take care, but try to help. -
@quixoticgeek @NatureMC @afewbugs Sure. But every AED I’ve seen (have trained with them for decades) has easy to understand numbered pictures and if it’s set up incorrectly, it won’t function. The biggest delay is usually a group of people standing around waiting for someone else to act. If you start acting, even with a language barrier, that will break that and if another person is there and understands the language, they would then step in to help.
@IcooIey I see it like you. Working in a French museum, I once looked at ours because my medicine French is not the best. But that machine comes also with simple international icons you can understand without language knowledge.
And like you say: the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work if you use it wrong.
Mostly you have other people around you. Shout how they could help you. That someone phones the urgency number etc.
Looking at a machine before, helps -
@IcooIey I see it like you. Working in a French museum, I once looked at ours because my medicine French is not the best. But that machine comes also with simple international icons you can understand without language knowledge.
And like you say: the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work if you use it wrong.
Mostly you have other people around you. Shout how they could help you. That someone phones the urgency number etc.
Looking at a machine before, helps@IcooIey a lot to get rid of fear. You can even find infos in internet how it looks and works like.
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@afewbugs the public style ones are designed for anyone to use them and have audio prompts. They won't shock if there is a detected heartbeat and broken ribs from bad CPR can heal, a dead person not so much.
@robinthewitch @afewbugs I expect they even have an automated recorded voice to guide you through applying it.
edit: Rachel confirms it here https://norfolk.social/@rachel/117450055785834127 in a different thread of answers! -
There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs I've been trained through work.
The dirty secret is that CPR doesn't work like it does in movies. It may help a drowning victim regain consciousness but only a shock will restart the heart for heart attacks.
CPR helps prevent brain damage until the heart can be restarted.
And you will have to cut a woman's bra off. It will interfere with the shock.
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RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
@axx anyone who has worked for a restaurant for more than ten years will know...
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RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
@axx and while we're on the subject you should remove the bra if it's underwired. There should be scissors in with the de-fib.
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RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
@axx When we lived in Denmark there was a HeartStarter program - when someone has a heart attack, members of the public that have taken defibrillator training are alerted on their phones and can rush to the scene.
They are given a few nearby defibrillator locations so they can pick it up on the way.
I witnessed this in action one day on the shopping street in Vejle - it was fucking amazing!
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RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
@axx Worth adding for folks that worry: AEDs are specifically designed to analyze incoming cardiac signals before enabling the ability to deliver a shock, and they will only activate the shock function if fibrillation is detected. In other words, it cannot be used to incorrectly/unnecessarily shock a person and harm them. It is not at all like TV dramas!
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
Great reminder. The defibrillators are publicly widespread here (Denmark) too. Coincidentally, I saw this just after reading that Hjerteløber (‘Heart Runner’) volunteers here are faster than ever to save lives. 20 volunteers in the immediate area get alerted to a heart attack. At least 10 of them now reach the person within 3 minutes, 24 seconds. Grabbing AEDs on the way. 61,000 volunteers drive, run or cycle to help. Fair play to them!
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/hjerteloebere-er-hurtigere-end-nogensinde-foer
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs In my experience, they are not common in public spaces in the US, probably because (sadly) they would be vandalized or stolen. My workace, however, has several throughout the building.
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Great reminder. The defibrillators are publicly widespread here (Denmark) too. Coincidentally, I saw this just after reading that Hjerteløber (‘Heart Runner’) volunteers here are faster than ever to save lives. 20 volunteers in the immediate area get alerted to a heart attack. At least 10 of them now reach the person within 3 minutes, 24 seconds. Grabbing AEDs on the way. 61,000 volunteers drive, run or cycle to help. Fair play to them!
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/hjerteloebere-er-hurtigere-end-nogensinde-foer
@CiaraNi @afewbugs hjerteløber is a fantastic program!
Explanation: It’s an app, people sign up by downloading it, emergency services can activate it, and to those 20 who are alerted, it shows their nearest defibrillator including instructions on how to run there. I’ve analysed the app with my UX students several times (to sneakily get them to sign up…). It’s such an amazing thing.
