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  3. Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

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  • jab01701mid@mastodon.socialJ jab01701mid@mastodon.social

    @briankrebs So I hate to be snarky, but "dd" has been there all along people. Having to install an entire 3rd party application, for something that the OS should have stable, reliable methods for, to format a storage device and transfer a standard filesystem image to it, is intolerable. But it's Windows...depends on curl to download its own updates...

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    #72

    @jab01701mid @briankrebs ironically the official windows installer builder does support writing to USB directly but it doesn't have the customisation that Rufus offers for slipstreaming and deshittifying. But for other non-Windows ISOs? Yeah.

    Though it should be noted that for awhile now a lot of images are designed such that if you mount them and copy their contents to the USB partition bare it'll work just fine and this can be done from stock Windows

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    • lunaphied@provably.onlineL lunaphied@provably.online

      @jab01701mid @briankrebs ironically the official windows installer builder does support writing to USB directly but it doesn't have the customisation that Rufus offers for slipstreaming and deshittifying. But for other non-Windows ISOs? Yeah.

      Though it should be noted that for awhile now a lot of images are designed such that if you mount them and copy their contents to the USB partition bare it'll work just fine and this can be done from stock Windows

      briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #73

      @Lunaphied Okay. But how?

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      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

        Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

        Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

        butchrobot@shork.nerdmusic.netB This user is from outside of this forum
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        butchrobot@shork.nerdmusic.net
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        #74

        @briankrebs@infosec.exchange the new DiskDestroyer...

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        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

          Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

          Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

          briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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          briankrebs@infosec.exchange
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          #75

          Look, compromises happen to everyone. I have received a ton of private messages asking if I'm okay. But the reality is that I stopped using Windoze a long time ago and this was a kind of one-off thing where I was trying to re-image an old system anyway (away from Windoze).

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          • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

            Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

            Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

            usti@witter.czU This user is from outside of this forum
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            #76

            @briankrebs I wonder if @torproject should know because Rufus is recommended to those who wish to install Tails from Windows:

            https://tails.net/install/windows/index.en.html

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            • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

              Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

              Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

              stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloudS This user is from outside of this forum
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              stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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              #77

              @briankrebs@infosec.exchange have you reported this on the rufus github repo?

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              • stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloudS stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                @briankrebs@infosec.exchange have you reported this on the rufus github repo?

                briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #78

                @stella No. I reported it to everyone.

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                • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                  @stella No. I reported it to everyone.

                  stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloudS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #79

                  @briankrebs@infosec.exchange …except the one place where its most likely to reach people who might be able to fix it?

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                  • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                    Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                    Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                    clv1@mementomori.social
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                    #80

                    @simon @briankrebs Please what Rufus version does it apply to? The last I've used is 4.9, and the only thing it asked to download was some Secure Boot-related pieces.

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                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                      Look, compromises happen to everyone. I have received a ton of private messages asking if I'm okay. But the reality is that I stopped using Windoze a long time ago and this was a kind of one-off thing where I was trying to re-image an old system anyway (away from Windoze).

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                      #81

                      @briankrebs

                      The cognoscenti don't use the term Windoze anymore - there is no need and it does age us somewhat!

                      Please tell us what you were attempting to install. We are all friends here and won't judge 😎

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                      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                        Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                        Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

                        briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        briankrebs@infosec.exchange
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                        #82

                        I love all the commentary about how I'm supposedly inventing things here. Supply chain hacks or just selling one's site/brand happens. If you don't like the results too bad. Check them yourself.

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                        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                          Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                          Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                          mike805@noc.social
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                          #83

                          @briankrebs tails.net has its own copy of rufus-portable.exe

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                          • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                            A kind reader submitted the Rufus installer to any.run, a sandbox which walks through the installation of software to find malware that gets installed only *AFTER* the executable is clicked. You can see exactly all of the post-install prompts to download additional software that I also saw.

                            https://infosec.exchange/@jordinki/117492425049116266

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                            #84

                            @briankrebs@infosec.exchange the scary boxes like, downloading from the MS github and checking for its own updates, which is opt in? what the hell even is this alarmist thread

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                            • amy@sk.girlthi.ngA amy@sk.girlthi.ng

                              @briankrebs@infosec.exchange the scary boxes like, downloading from the MS github and checking for its own updates, which is opt in? what the hell even is this alarmist thread

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                              #85

                              @amy alarmist? trigger much?

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                              • stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloudS stella@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                                @briankrebs@infosec.exchange …except the one place where its most likely to reach people who might be able to fix it?

                                briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                briankrebs@infosec.exchange
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                                #86

                                @stella Feel free. I've been a little busy re-imaging a Windows box

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                                • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                  Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                  Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                  stephenboylett@techhub.social
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                                  #87

                                  @briankrebs you know you can create iso files from folders directly through PowerShell? I forget where I got the script from but it feels like magic every time I use it.

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                                  • S stephenboylett@techhub.social

                                    @briankrebs you know you can create iso files from folders directly through PowerShell? I forget where I got the script from but it feels like magic every time I use it.

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                                    #88

                                    @StephenBoylett no, I didn't know that. If you can supply a link that would be helpful, thanks.

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                                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                      Look, compromises happen to everyone. I have received a ton of private messages asking if I'm okay. But the reality is that I stopped using Windoze a long time ago and this was a kind of one-off thing where I was trying to re-image an old system anyway (away from Windoze).

                                      emory@soc.kvet.chE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #89

                                      @briankrebs I feel extremely lucky considering I have two Windows workstations and one is for ML and Gaming so perfect patient zero situation which is why it's sharing a vlan with the other embarrassment, arguably worse: windows 10 set to danger-cart mode 🚨 to run without seatbelts and use unsigned drivers.

                                      abandonware is the default software license in amateur radio. 🪊 🪊

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                                      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                        No clue whether the resulting ISO is also malicious, but tried running it just for giggles on a spare Windows PC from bootup and the machine's bios said nope, wouldn't allow b/c security policy. Not sure if it's related but I've never seen that message before trying to boot up from a USB.

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                                        snornik@techhub.social
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                                        #90

                                        @briankrebs I only had that (the secure boot fail) problem if you click the skip windows login procedure. Or how ever its was called. (Last time i used it was years ago). then rufus modified the iso to skip the annoying install process which broke secure boot. Last time i used it without that option the image was valid with secure boot. and also never had any "want to download stuff" requests on my whitelist firewall. but may be outdated info. also i never used the installer only portable version. (it never tried any network-connection. nor did it spawn weird new processes/services.)

                                        i'm pretty sure the "official" download was sourceforge at that time.

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                                        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                          Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                          Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                          tehstu@hachyderm.io
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                                          #91

                                          @briankrebs I'm not usually on Windows, but looking at my /Downloads I must have fetched and used it back in July, so I have this build.

                                          I grabbed Malwarebytes (for want of something to do) and ran it before (clean) and with Rufus running (clean).

                                          One thing I did note - I genuinely don't recall it fetching any additional files until you select an ISO, it reads it, and determines if it needs extra files which is mentioned on the page linked below.

                                          https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/Security

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