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  3. Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

    Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

    The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

    A short 🧵>>

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

    emilymbender@dair-community.socialE bjb@fosstodon.orgB wesdym@mastodon.socialW bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB michaelmcwilliams@mas.toM 9 Replies Last reply
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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

      Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

      The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

      A short 🧵>>

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

      emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
      emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      "Block that search in particular" is also what Google did when the inherent racism in their image search algorithm was pointed out, in 2018.

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/12/google-racism-ban-gorilla-black-people

      >>

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        "Block that search in particular" is also what Google did when the inherent racism in their image search algorithm was pointed out, in 2018.

        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/12/google-racism-ban-gorilla-black-people

        >>

        emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        And when Dr.
        @safiyanoble pointed out the racist results returned for queries like "black girls" in ~2016. See her amazing book Algorithms of Oppression:

        https://nyupress.org/9781479837243/algorithms-of-oppression/

        >>

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          And when Dr.
          @safiyanoble pointed out the racist results returned for queries like "black girls" in ~2016. See her amazing book Algorithms of Oppression:

          https://nyupress.org/9781479837243/algorithms-of-oppression/

          >>

          emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

          >>

          emilymbender@dair-community.socialE oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO nazani@universeodon.comN geolaw@aus.socialG 4 Replies Last reply
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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

            >>

            emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

            https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

            /fin (for now)

            jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ karencampe@mathstodon.xyzK joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ jason_dodd@mastodon.socialJ johntinker@hear-me.socialJ 8 Replies Last reply
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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

              >>

              oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @emilymbender

              Measuring and reviewing the quality of its summaries? How does a great AI house do that?

              Unleashing one AI instance on another, and letting them "duke it out"?

              I think I like it.

              stooovie@mas.toS oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO 2 Replies Last reply
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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

                >>

                nazani@universeodon.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @emilymbender Uh-huh. I've seen overview attempt to combine mutually exclusisve theses.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                  https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                  /fin (for now)

                  jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @emilymbender we're living through a mass psychological engineering campaign and the results have been, and will continue to be, horrifying https://azhdarchid.com/are-llms-useful

                  npars01@mstdn.socialN futureisfoss@fosstodon.orgF 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.social

                    @emilymbender

                    Measuring and reviewing the quality of its summaries? How does a great AI house do that?

                    Unleashing one AI instance on another, and letting them "duke it out"?

                    I think I like it.

                    stooovie@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @oldclumsy_nowmad @emilymbender I don't, it accomplishes nothing and costs untold resources

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                      /fin (for now)

                      karencampe@mathstodon.xyzK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @emilymbender say it louder for those in the back!!

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                        /fin (for now)

                        joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @emilymbender

                        People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

                        evannakita@mastodon.onlineE iams@mastodon.socialI 2 Replies Last reply
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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                          /fin (for now)

                          jason_dodd@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @emilymbender In Google's defense, they have been so good at making their search engine pure shit, "AI" search just might be better.

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                          • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                            @emilymbender

                            People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

                            evannakita@mastodon.onlineE This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Do you have recommendations for ones that aren't DuckDuckGo?

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                            • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                              @emilymbender

                              People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

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                              #14

                              @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Ah, yet when you use privacy features within DuckDuckGo, or numerous available browsers, disabling AI is (predictably) per session. It would seem the better way would be to have opt-out by default, with locally stored flag for enabling AI being useful for those that have... not bothered with privacy -- which is not their target audience? So, I am sorry but DuckDuckGo does not allow for disabling AI; it is a misleading claim.

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                              • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

                                @emilymbender we're living through a mass psychological engineering campaign and the results have been, and will continue to be, horrifying https://azhdarchid.com/are-llms-useful

                                npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                                The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                                So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                It's the best at:
                                1. Election interference
                                2. Malign influence campaigns
                                3. Automated cyberwarfare
                                4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                                5. Automated hate campaigns
                                6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                                7. Frying the planet

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                                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                  @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                  The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                                  The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                                  So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                  It's the best at:
                                  1. Election interference
                                  2. Malign influence campaigns
                                  3. Automated cyberwarfare
                                  4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                                  5. Automated hate campaigns
                                  6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                                  7. Frying the planet

                                  jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @Npars01 @emilymbender yeah, it's clearly one of those technologies that accelerates just about everything patriarchal white supremacist capitalism does in various ways, and provides a greater means of plausible deniability to the people behind that than previous systems. it enables the monsters running the world to Capitalism Harder, at the exact moment when we need to be doing the opposite and take better care of one another and our planet. so in that sense it's definitely working as designed.

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                                  • evannakita@mastodon.onlineE evannakita@mastodon.online

                                    @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Do you have recommendations for ones that aren't DuckDuckGo?

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                                    #17

                                    @evannakita @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I use Startpage at times! @StartpageSearch Also, cool profile amd background picture!

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                                    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                      @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                      The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                                      The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                                      So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                      It's the best at:
                                      1. Election interference
                                      2. Malign influence campaigns
                                      3. Automated cyberwarfare
                                      4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                                      5. Automated hate campaigns
                                      6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                                      7. Frying the planet

                                      f800gecko@mastodon.onlineF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                      Bang on.

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                                      • oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.social

                                        @emilymbender

                                        Measuring and reviewing the quality of its summaries? How does a great AI house do that?

                                        Unleashing one AI instance on another, and letting them "duke it out"?

                                        I think I like it.

                                        oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @emilymbender

                                        I was being ironic. I hate everything about generative, text-puking "AI". It's environmental impact. Degradation of workers. Shoddy, unreliable output. Theft of thoughtful, imaginative or well-researched content. Fooling people into thinking they are being "helped" by a sentient, caring being. Erroneous "correcting" of my work.

                                        Sorry for my misleading attempt at irony. ( But I would love to see AI battle-bots disrupt the blasted AI machines and destroy them.)

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                                          /fin (for now)

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                                          #20

                                          @emilymbender
                                          The con is to allow the user to imagine that the chatbot is AGI and not LLM. Once it is clear what the LLM is, then it is useful for finding normative language related to any number of topics, has been my experience. The AI market capitalization is criticized as a bubble. I think it is, too. I think that the misunderstanding regarding the chatbot will bite. I discussed this matter with DeepSeek: https://johntinker.substack.com/p/misunderstanding-as-a-commutator

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