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  3. If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad?

If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad?

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  • baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

    Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

    albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA lnsy_dev@mastodon.socialL djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB 22 Replies Last reply
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    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

      If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

      Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

      albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA This user is from outside of this forum
      albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA This user is from outside of this forum
      albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz
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      #2

      @baldur

      It's one trillion dollars ... why aren't we to expect the industry members will do whatever it takes, over whatever laws of land or morals they may still have.

      gbargoud@masto.nycG 1 Reply Last reply
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      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

        If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

        Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

        lnsy_dev@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
        lnsy_dev@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
        lnsy_dev@mastodon.social
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        #3

        @baldur https://fortune.com/2026/03/04/palantir-tech-companies-offices-vending-machines-tobacco-worker-productivity/

        h4heights@mstdn.socialH maddiem4@raphus.socialM huntingdon@mstdn.socialH 3 Replies Last reply
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        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

          If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

          Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

          djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
          djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @baldur Funny that you ask, couple of days ago someone was basically stating something along the lines of "oh I see you are inept, since you are using LLM" and some people were trying to guilt-trip him because of "ableism", since people with disabilities are dependant on LLMs for some reason. What the fuck?

          baldur@toot.cafeB theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT 2 Replies Last reply
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          • djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD djgummikuh@mastodon.social

            @baldur Funny that you ask, couple of days ago someone was basically stating something along the lines of "oh I see you are inept, since you are using LLM" and some people were trying to guilt-trip him because of "ableism", since people with disabilities are dependant on LLMs for some reason. What the fuck?

            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @DJGummikuh Yeah, that’s a standard tactic of the pro-LLM crowd these days.

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            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

              If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

              Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

              anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
              anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
              anomnomnomaly@beige.party
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              #6

              @baldur

              If I lived in a world where tech oligarchs were deliberately destroying the planet to push their technocracy on everyone... I'd take my inspiration from the French circa 1789

              nicolaottomano@mastodon.unoN 1 Reply Last reply
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              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
                budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
                budududuroiu@hachyderm.io
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                #7

                @baldur tech is still one of the few professions that allows for class mobility. I think people are seeing the future of sharing less resources with more people, and thinking "whatever, I'll get mine first"

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                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                  If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                  Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                  netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
                  netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @baldur Yeah, I've seen those bs excuses for the #PervGlasses / #Glassholes & #SocialMediaBans when #AccessibleArchitecture & proper #Moderation are far better at these…

                  • But they ain't fancy and don't individualize responsibility, so they don't get platform'd.
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                  • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                    @baldur tech is still one of the few professions that allows for class mobility. I think people are seeing the future of sharing less resources with more people, and thinking "whatever, I'll get mine first"

                    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
                    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @budududuroiu Pretty much every single person I’ve seen argue this is my age or thereabouts. They’re in their forties and are already basically financially secure

                    The people who actually are in financial need usually just say that they need to pay the bills and don’t see another way at the moment, which I actually respect. People gotta eat

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                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                      @budududuroiu Pretty much every single person I’ve seen argue this is my age or thereabouts. They’re in their forties and are already basically financially secure

                      The people who actually are in financial need usually just say that they need to pay the bills and don’t see another way at the moment, which I actually respect. People gotta eat

                      budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
                      budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @baldur that being said, I think tech is becoming like finance, quite rent seeking

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                      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                        If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                        Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                        verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
                        verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @baldur No, I'd vomit everywhere.

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                        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                          If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                          Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                          alda@topspicy.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                          alda@topspicy.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @baldur I have bad news for you about nicotine.

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                          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                            If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                            Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                            cultdev@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                            cultdev@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @baldur i like that but it’s more like the nazis saying your extermination will actually somehow be good for you

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                            • anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA anomnomnomaly@beige.party

                              @baldur

                              If I lived in a world where tech oligarchs were deliberately destroying the planet to push their technocracy on everyone... I'd take my inspiration from the French circa 1789

                              nicolaottomano@mastodon.unoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @Anomnomnomaly
                              Time to service, oil and polish guillotines then...
                              @baldur

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                                vorsos@beige.partyV This user is from outside of this forum
                                vorsos@beige.partyV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @baldur Indeed. https://beige.party/@Vorsos/116126441762557883

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                                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                  If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                  Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                                  lstn2urmama@mstdn.caL This user is from outside of this forum
                                  lstn2urmama@mstdn.caL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @baldur Nervous people have better other things to use instead of smoking .. lived with a mother who smoked way too much and it killed her when she reached pension age and a sister younger than myself both from cancer her body was full of it mother's started in lung then to brain with 14 tumors
                                  Both only lived a few months ...

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                                  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                    If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                    Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                                    xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
                                    xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @baldur

                                    Unbelievable indeed…

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                                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                      @DJGummikuh Yeah, that’s a standard tactic of the pro-LLM crowd these days.

                                      orb2069@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @baldur @DJGummikuh

                                      The whole "I'm calling you a hypocrite because every other objection I want to make shows how horrible my morals objectively are." debate tactic has been leaking out of SA/chan/stormfront boards for a while now.

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                                      • cultdev@mastodon.socialC cultdev@mastodon.social

                                        @baldur i like that but it’s more like the nazis saying your extermination will actually somehow be good for you

                                        flyingpenguin@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @cultdev @baldur you mean like Arbeit Macht Frei? or more like get into this rail car for a ride to fresh air and warm vineyard sun picking grapes? The Nazi invasion and violent occupation of Hungary, with promises of a better life than could be had from liberation, killed nearly 500K in just a couple months.

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                                        • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                                          @baldur that being said, I think tech is becoming like finance, quite rent seeking

                                          cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @budududuroiu @baldur

                                          Rent seeking as we know doesn’t provide any real value to the economy. Right?

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