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Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

    And they can't stop.

    Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

    The race is real. The destination is fake.

    https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

    raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR kevinflynn@c.imK nakdim@mathstodon.xyzN acdha@code4lib.socialA hoco@sfba.socialH 14 Replies Last reply
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    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

      Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

      And they can't stop.

      Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

      The race is real. The destination is fake.

      https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

      raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @Daojoan Thank you for this essay. You have put your finger on the "herd behaviour" of SV tech.

      Joel Spolsky did NOT say everything you are now saying twenty years ago, not even close. But his "Fire and Motion" essay from 2002 is a complementary read: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/

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      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

        Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

        And they can't stop.

        Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

        The race is real. The destination is fake.

        https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

        kevinflynn@c.imK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @Daojoan

        " Find a niche that's too small for the Moloch-captured companies to notice and go so deep into it that by the time they arrive, your product is years ahead in the dimension that matters to those users."

        Yes.

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        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

          Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

          And they can't stop.

          Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

          The race is real. The destination is fake.

          https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

          nakdim@mathstodon.xyzN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @Daojoan It's being going on like that for years... I wonder when everything will fall apart because of very very rotten and bad foundation...

          I like your ending though. It gives me some hope...

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          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

            Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

            And they can't stop.

            Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

            The race is real. The destination is fake.

            https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

            acdha@code4lib.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @Daojoan One challenge I see is that LLMs are really good for copying things because an existing product can essentially be a spec, which makes me think small companies are going to get with a worse version of the app store cloning problem.

            This seems especially bad for tools which the company they're renting services from might want: Mac developers talk about getting Sherlocked but that was limited by developer time in a way that is very different now.

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            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

              Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

              And they can't stop.

              Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

              The race is real. The destination is fake.

              https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

              hoco@sfba.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @Daojoan It's like a space race to get to a planet that doesn't exist.

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              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                And they can't stop.

                Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                The race is real. The destination is fake.

                https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                faro49@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #7

                @Daojoan
                You are right 😩

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                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                  Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                  And they can't stop.

                  Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                  The race is real. The destination is fake.

                  https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                  ulrich_the_elder@thecanadian.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @Daojoan It is not artificial intelligence it is Computerized Lying.

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                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                    Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                    And they can't stop.

                    Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                    The race is real. The destination is fake.

                    https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                    nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    nuwagaba2@mastodon.social
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                    #9

                    @Daojoan
                    How can we protect ourselves from being the victims of the wrong thing that the AI companies are creating for their own benefit?

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                    • raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR raganwald@social.bau-ha.us

                      @Daojoan Thank you for this essay. You have put your finger on the "herd behaviour" of SV tech.

                      Joel Spolsky did NOT say everything you are now saying twenty years ago, not even close. But his "Fire and Motion" essay from 2002 is a complementary read: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/

                      neverbeaten@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @raganwald @Daojoan
                      Moloch…

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                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                        Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                        And they can't stop.

                        Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                        The race is real. The destination is fake.

                        https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                        awww_shucks@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @Daojoan I agree 100%. For the better part of a year now, it feels like the expectation is that they'll just *happen* upon an ultimate AI product. The target doesn't exist, but they expect a bullseye.

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                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                          Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                          And they can't stop.

                          Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                          The race is real. The destination is fake.

                          https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                          rbos@mastodon.novylen.netR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @Daojoan
                          It really is reminiscent of the tulip bubble, in that you could genuinely go out of business if you didn't participate. It's a giant game of financial chicken.

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                            And they can't stop.

                            Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                            The race is real. The destination is fake.

                            https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                            fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @Daojoan 'AI' seems uniquely bad because of the very high cost of entry. VCs are far more cowardly herd animal and much less adventurous than advertised across the board; but that matters less when the cost of entry is close to zero and the burn rate is a handful of developer salaries; while it is the single concern when you need to set a billion dollars on fire just to sit at the table.

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                              And they can't stop.

                              Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                              The race is real. The destination is fake.

                              https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                              adingbatponder@fosstodon.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @Daojoan CLI then ... oh ... claude ... + api ... oh chatgpt has it...

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                              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                                And they can't stop.

                                Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                                The race is real. The destination is fake.

                                https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

                                human3500@ottawa.placeH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @Daojoan
                                I've heard a million times that AIs write better code than people, so these AI companies should be using an / their AI to write their AI. It should speed things up and save them money.

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                                • kevinflynn@c.imK kevinflynn@c.im

                                  @Daojoan

                                  " Find a niche that's too small for the Moloch-captured companies to notice and go so deep into it that by the time they arrive, your product is years ahead in the dimension that matters to those users."

                                  Yes.

                                  jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @KevinFlynn @Daojoan

                                  Then you run into what I call "The Oracle Problem". Eventually an Ellison (or Jassey or Pichai or Zuckerberg or whomever) will notice your product is profitable and do one of three things:

                                  Buy you out - whether willingly or hostile

                                  Sue the shit out of you for whatever bullshit reason they can come up with and keep fighting you until you run out of money

                                  Drop a bunch of money to make a shoddy competitor but push it to your customers for half the cost or as part of their existing bundle or whatever until you go under

                                  In the long run, the rich people win

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                                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                    Every AI company knows they're building the wrong thing.

                                    And they can't stop.

                                    Because the competitive structure specifically punishes anyone who slows down long enough to build the right thing.

                                    The race is real. The destination is fake.

                                    https://www.joanwestenberg.com/everyone-in-ai-is-building-the-wrong-thing-for-the-same-reason/

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                                    #17

                                    @Daojoan i mean... there's a lot of truth to this. But then also, at the frontier lab level... Yann LeCun? Ilya Sutskever? And do we really believe that Google Deepmind are solely focused on LLMs and the chat interface for them?

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