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  3. Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

    I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

    Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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    #7

    @JulianOliver still related to em-dash but friend of mine told me that she'd rather rewrite sentences in a way she can drop em-dash at all.

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    • wikinaut@berlin.socialW wikinaut@berlin.social

      @JulianOliver @nico

      Sieht-hoffentlich-nicht-wie-KI-erzeugt-aus

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      #8

      @wikinaut @nico I like this, 'hopefully not seen like..' as it speaks from the place of the maker.

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

        drayde@fosstodon.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #9

        @JulianOliver AI imposter syndrome

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

          I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

          Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

          catileptic@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #10

          @JulianOliver the construction that goes "it isn't only X, it's also Y" is something i've come to suspect as a mark of ai-generated stuff, in both english and romanian

          in a more abstract sense, semanticly homogenous language is how i explain ai content to myself. people can (and sometimes do) draw paraleles between semantic domains based on subjective interpretarion. this is metonymy. a LLM can't replicate metonymy, only simile (metaphor) ("x is like y")

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          • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

            @JulianOliver the construction that goes "it isn't only X, it's also Y" is something i've come to suspect as a mark of ai-generated stuff, in both english and romanian

            in a more abstract sense, semanticly homogenous language is how i explain ai content to myself. people can (and sometimes do) draw paraleles between semantic domains based on subjective interpretarion. this is metonymy. a LLM can't replicate metonymy, only simile (metaphor) ("x is like y")

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            #11

            @catileptic What an insightful take, thank you. I had not considered this as a marker/indicator. This makes sense.

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            • wikinaut@berlin.socialW wikinaut@berlin.social

              @JulianOliver @nico

              Sieht-hoffentlich-nicht-wie-KI-erzeugt-aus

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              #12

              @wikinaut @JulianOliver Nice one

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              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

                themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #13

                @JulianOliver "Wurde nicht von einem stochastischen Papagei verfasst"

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                • nico@ipv6.socialN nico@ipv6.social

                  @JulianOliver Do you mean "Künstlicheintellgenzerzeugungsangst"?

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                  #14

                  Künstlicheintelligenzerzeugnisverwechslungsgefahrsangst would be more precise 🙂

                  @nico @JulianOliver

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                  • themadhatter@mastodon.socialT themadhatter@mastodon.social

                    @JulianOliver "Wurde nicht von einem stochastischen Papagei verfasst"

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                    #15

                    @themadhatter True! We don't hear much about the parrot anymore. We should bring it back -- a useful metaphor.

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                      I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                      Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

                      njr@mathstodon.xyzN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @JulianOliver Maybe. But making your writing worse (or even different) because AI does something seems foolish to me.

                      Of course, em-dashes can be misused or overused, as can almost anything else. But they are not intrinsically bad and are sometimes essential. Many great writers use them frequently.

                      On the other hand, LLMs love emoji, and I wouldn’t discourage anyone from reducing their use.

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                      • njr@mathstodon.xyzN njr@mathstodon.xyz

                        @JulianOliver Maybe. But making your writing worse (or even different) because AI does something seems foolish to me.

                        Of course, em-dashes can be misused or overused, as can almost anything else. But they are not intrinsically bad and are sometimes essential. Many great writers use them frequently.

                        On the other hand, LLMs love emoji, and I wouldn’t discourage anyone from reducing their use.

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                        #17

                        @njr In agreement. I am opposed to any behavioural modification as a function of this would-be anxiety, just interested in it as a socio-technical symptom of our times.

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #18

                          @R_3_T_3_C_H 'Worrai' is surely a candidate! Sharp.

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

                            jpoesen@social.jpoesen.comJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #19

                            @JulianOliver Slopschmerz, causing a lot of Kummerspeck.

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                            • jpoesen@social.jpoesen.comJ jpoesen@social.jpoesen.com

                              @JulianOliver Slopschmerz, causing a lot of Kummerspeck.

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                              #20

                              @jpoesen The moment I read your reply I found myself saying "damn I miss German".

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                              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                                I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                                Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                                #21

                                This article shared by @slackline has some strongly-related fight in it https://www.theringer.com/2025/08/20/pop-culture/em-dash-use-ai-artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-google-gemini

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  @catileptic What an insightful take, thank you. I had not considered this as a marker/indicator. This makes sense.

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                                  #22

                                  @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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                                  • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                                    @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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                                    #23

                                    @JulianOliver and if i can push this forward one more time:

                                    in literature, legibility isn't a necessity. neither is coherence. and neither is a complete match between form and content. this is what made James Joyce, Pynchon, Heamingway great (to name the ones that most people from different countries might have come across, because we surely have our own examples in local literature)

                                    genAI algorithms has no concept of form versus content. and thus can not create a divergence between the two

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                                    • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                                      @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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                                      #24

                                      @catileptic Thanks a lot. I'll look for this!

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                                      • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                                        @JulianOliver and if i can push this forward one more time:

                                        in literature, legibility isn't a necessity. neither is coherence. and neither is a complete match between form and content. this is what made James Joyce, Pynchon, Heamingway great (to name the ones that most people from different countries might have come across, because we surely have our own examples in local literature)

                                        genAI algorithms has no concept of form versus content. and thus can not create a divergence between the two

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                                        #25

                                        @catileptic This is also insightful, and I must say encouraging.

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          @njr In agreement. I am opposed to any behavioural modification as a function of this would-be anxiety, just interested in it as a socio-technical symptom of our times.

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                                          #26

                                          @JulianOliver Sure. Agree with that.

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