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PSA for the #gardening #allotment #GrowYourOwn folks: this sounds ridiculous but is 100% true I promise.

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  • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

    @malte It depends on the country, beside the non-eatable species for decorations, exist also wild forms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbita_pepo (where I live, we can have crosspollination with wild zucchini).

    It's enough if s'o grows such species in your street.
    Of course, crosspollination is rarer than the effects of plant stress like heat/drought. Of course, it's easy to taste the toxin (if you are able to taste bitter!). But better paying attention because the intoxication is dangerous.

    @afewbugs

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    #12

    @malte Professional seed producers in France e.g. protect plants from pollinators coming from outside, a method which is not so practicable in gardens. https://www.zollinger.bio/en/blog/garden-care-9/cross-pollination-in-the-cucurbit-family-169

    @afewbugs

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    • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

      PSA for the #gardening #allotment #GrowYourOwn folks: this sounds ridiculous but is 100% true I promise. If your courgettes, zucchini or summer squash taste bitter, don't eat them. In hot dry conditions squash produce a toxic defensive compound called cucurbitacin E, which can cause vomiting and diarrhea. If you keep eating them it can cause something called toxic squash syndrome (again I promise this isn't a joke) which can make your hair fall out. And this has been a very hot dry summer.

      Prompted by a friend of mine sharing that his courgettes were minging this year so he covered them in cheese and ate them anyway. Don't do that.

      #UKHeatwave

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      #13

      @afewbugs Toxic Squash Syndrome formed the basis of a storyline in #TheArchers at last year's fête (or was it the Food and Produce?). @WCOW

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      • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

        @malte It depends on the country, beside the non-eatable species for decorations, exist also wild forms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbita_pepo (where I live, we can have crosspollination with wild zucchini).

        It's enough if s'o grows such species in your street.
        Of course, crosspollination is rarer than the effects of plant stress like heat/drought. Of course, it's easy to taste the toxin (if you are able to taste bitter!). But better paying attention because the intoxication is dangerous.

        @afewbugs

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        #14

        @NatureMC This repeats what I said. Which is that cross-pollination is limited to the species Cucurbita pepo (you said species in plural). I work professionally with Cucurbita breeding and stumble upon people taking this caution too far into saying that all Cucurbita crossing is potentially dangerous, which I think is misinformation. That's just the point I wanted to get in. @afewbugs

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        • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

          @malte Professional seed producers in France e.g. protect plants from pollinators coming from outside, a method which is not so practicable in gardens. https://www.zollinger.bio/en/blog/garden-care-9/cross-pollination-in-the-cucurbit-family-169

          @afewbugs

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          #15

          @NatureMC @malte @afewbugs Is it the same toxin that killed a guy here in Germany then? I was going to say "recently", but this seems to have been over 10 years ago 😬

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          • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

            @NatureMC This repeats what I said. Which is that cross-pollination is limited to the species Cucurbita pepo (you said species in plural). I work professionally with Cucurbita breeding and stumble upon people taking this caution too far into saying that all Cucurbita crossing is potentially dangerous, which I think is misinformation. That's just the point I wanted to get in. @afewbugs

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            #16

            @malte Thanks for explaing it again, now I got your point! (My plural/slow understanding was caused by English being a foreign language for me).
            I didn't know that it's so rare. Learned something new. In the material for gardener's exams in Germany, the students are warned quite strongly.

            @afewbugs

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            • snoopy_jay@mastodon.worldS snoopy_jay@mastodon.world

              @NatureMC @malte @afewbugs Is it the same toxin that killed a guy here in Germany then? I was going to say "recently", but this seems to have been over 10 years ago 😬

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              #17

              @snoopy_jay I have no idea what could have killed any guy anywhere 10 yrs ago, sorry ... 😉
              We talk about this toxin: https://www.health.com/cucurbitacin-poisoning-zucchini-gourds-8748942?__cf_chl_f_tk=07viKiGo4hMqPJq4YJ9cRhNXdy6m_C6OuWAMk.wezyc-1783870757-1.0.1.1-KWlGbg2E2y3qklSfKvxwtPIgg5y9JlZey51POnVB1.U

              @malte @afewbugs

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              • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                PSA for the #gardening #allotment #GrowYourOwn folks: this sounds ridiculous but is 100% true I promise. If your courgettes, zucchini or summer squash taste bitter, don't eat them. In hot dry conditions squash produce a toxic defensive compound called cucurbitacin E, which can cause vomiting and diarrhea. If you keep eating them it can cause something called toxic squash syndrome (again I promise this isn't a joke) which can make your hair fall out. And this has been a very hot dry summer.

                Prompted by a friend of mine sharing that his courgettes were minging this year so he covered them in cheese and ate them anyway. Don't do that.

                #UKHeatwave

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                #18

                @afewbugs Diolch Jules, I wonder if it's worth tasting a thin slice of each squash before cooking them? It'd be a shame to waste a whole vat of soup (like the one I've just made) if there's just one bad courgette in there

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                • nic@toot.walesN nic@toot.wales

                  @afewbugs Diolch Jules, I wonder if it's worth tasting a thin slice of each squash before cooking them? It'd be a shame to waste a whole vat of soup (like the one I've just made) if there's just one bad courgette in there

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                  #19

                  @nic dw i'n cytuno. I have absolutely no idea if if one courgette is like that all the other others on the plant will be too, but it can't hurt to lick slices and find out

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                  • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                    PSA for the #gardening #allotment #GrowYourOwn folks: this sounds ridiculous but is 100% true I promise. If your courgettes, zucchini or summer squash taste bitter, don't eat them. In hot dry conditions squash produce a toxic defensive compound called cucurbitacin E, which can cause vomiting and diarrhea. If you keep eating them it can cause something called toxic squash syndrome (again I promise this isn't a joke) which can make your hair fall out. And this has been a very hot dry summer.

                    Prompted by a friend of mine sharing that his courgettes were minging this year so he covered them in cheese and ate them anyway. Don't do that.

                    #UKHeatwave

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                    #20

                    Honestly with this and the guy who messaged me to ask if he could eat his mouldy sourdough yesterday I'm starting to wonder if my main role in friendships is to endeavour to stop my friends giving themselves explosive diarrhea

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                    • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                      Honestly with this and the guy who messaged me to ask if he could eat his mouldy sourdough yesterday I'm starting to wonder if my main role in friendships is to endeavour to stop my friends giving themselves explosive diarrhea

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                      #21

                      @afewbugs You're doing god's work.

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                      • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                        Honestly with this and the guy who messaged me to ask if he could eat his mouldy sourdough yesterday I'm starting to wonder if my main role in friendships is to endeavour to stop my friends giving themselves explosive diarrhea

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                        #22

                        @afewbugs I mean, this kind of knowledge is probably why the sourdough friend messaged you...

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                        • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                          Honestly with this and the guy who messaged me to ask if he could eat his mouldy sourdough yesterday I'm starting to wonder if my main role in friendships is to endeavour to stop my friends giving themselves explosive diarrhea

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                          #23

                          @afewbugs It's one of the most valuable roles in any society.

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                          • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                            @malte Professional seed producers in France e.g. protect plants from pollinators coming from outside, a method which is not so practicable in gardens. https://www.zollinger.bio/en/blog/garden-care-9/cross-pollination-in-the-cucurbit-family-169

                            @afewbugs

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                            #24

                            @NatureMC I don't think this source is very reliable as they are economically invested in their customers not saving their own seed. The fact is cucurbitacin inheritance is not very well understood. Some theories say it is controlled by one dominant gene, other theories say it is a combination of several recessive genes. The article gives me #AIslop vibes by giving the vague impression that all kinds of C. pepo crossings are potentially dangerous, which is a bit of a stretch @afewbugs

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