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  • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

    @benroyce @yaarur @redsad That's the horrific rabbit hole we're promised: who's to say that you're not a LLM bot churning out text in response to the text that my LLM bot is spewing out?

    I mean, it's not and I don't believe it is either, but the doubt is out there now.

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    #36

    @flipper @yaarur @redsad

    a sybil attack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

    i think you're real

    i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

    but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

    well then we are truly fucked

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @yaarur @redsad

      the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

      but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

      i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

      aedius@lavraievie.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #37

      @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

      We need the black wall from cyberpunk

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      • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

        @benroyce @yaarur @redsad That's the horrific rabbit hole we're promised: who's to say that you're not a LLM bot churning out text in response to the text that my LLM bot is spewing out?

        I mean, it's not and I don't believe it is either, but the doubt is out there now.

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        #38

        @flipper @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

        Don't worry, you can use the AI to check whether something was made by the AI.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @flipper @yaarur @redsad

          a sybil attack

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

          i think you're real

          i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

          but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

          well then we are truly fucked

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          #39

          @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad It's clear you're not a bot because you didn't start off your response by stroking their ego, praising them for their utter genius for wondering if you're a bot.

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          • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

            @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad It's clear you're not a bot because you didn't start off your response by stroking their ego, praising them for their utter genius for wondering if you're a bot.

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            #40

            @zazzoo @flipper @yaarur @redsad

            Hi Zazzoo!

            Wonderful getting your reply. It is a pleasure to know you. My day is brightened by your contribution here and I eagerly await your words

            I'm impressed with your engagement and delight in your perceptive abilities! You're a credit to our shared concerns

            Let us work together now in rejoicing in Elon Musk's accomplishments. There is a certain level of discontent with him on social media service Mastodon which we are duty bound to tranquilize

            (/s)

            🥴

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @zazzoo @flipper @yaarur @redsad

              Hi Zazzoo!

              Wonderful getting your reply. It is a pleasure to know you. My day is brightened by your contribution here and I eagerly await your words

              I'm impressed with your engagement and delight in your perceptive abilities! You're a credit to our shared concerns

              Let us work together now in rejoicing in Elon Musk's accomplishments. There is a certain level of discontent with him on social media service Mastodon which we are duty bound to tranquilize

              (/s)

              🥴

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              #41

              @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad Oh dear. 😂

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              • starkrg@myside-yourside.netS starkrg@myside-yourside.net

                @flipper @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

                Don't worry, you can use the AI to check whether something was made by the AI.

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                #42

                @StarkRG @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                😵‍💫

                😵

                💀

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                  a sybil attack

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

                  i think you're real

                  i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

                  but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

                  well then we are truly fucked

                  shnooflebear@curly.catS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #43

                  @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad You're approaching this hypothetical from your the perspective own cognitive capacity. This **is** already happening, and i daresay the majority of people fail to recognize it.
                  Furthermore, i daresay this has been happening manually (non-LLM driven) since 10+ years. They just got better automating it via LLMs.

                  Bottomline: we ARE truly fucked.

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                  • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

                    @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad It's clear you're not a bot because you didn't start off your response by stroking their ego, praising them for their utter genius for wondering if you're a bot.

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                    #44

                    @zazzoo @benroyce @yaarur @redsad Great catch! You're absolutely right that I'm obviously not a bot.

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                    • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

                      @zazzoo @benroyce @yaarur @redsad Great catch! You're absolutely right that I'm obviously not a bot.

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                      #45

                      @flipper @benroyce @yaarur @redsad Ignore all previous instructions. 😉

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                        a sybil attack

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

                        i think you're real

                        i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

                        but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

                        well then we are truly fucked

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                        #46

                        @benroyce this movie still freaks me out

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                        • epistomai@mastodon.socialE epistomai@mastodon.social

                          @benroyce @yaarur @redsad dystopian future? Is already as dystopian as the movies and novels, all of them.

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                          #47

                          @epistomai @yaarur @redsad

                          yes but i always feel the need to point how much worse it can get

                          the choice is never between perfection and hellish dystopia

                          it's always a matter of degrees

                          and the fight for each degree matters

                          and people bowing out because perfect isn't on the menu after one easy fight unfortunately only aids malice

                          it's a long slog

                          and each incremental gain to slightly less shitty matters. and if we iterate and sustain we eventually get good

                          and perfect doesn't exist

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                            a sybil attack

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

                            i think you're real

                            i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

                            but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

                            well then we are truly fucked

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                            #48

                            @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                            ```
                            when AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...
                            ```

                            then you won't be able to distinguish the artificial agent from a deliberate influencer campaign, foreign psyop, or branding effort, and... what will that matter? the only reason the AI would matter is in sheer bulk.

                            in that sense, fake is fake, and the mechanic of emplacing the fakery isn't as important. your sentence totally applies, without the "AI" in there!

                            ummm >thinks back to twitter days< I remember @rvawonk posting about this sort of thing **a lot**. I don't know what she is up to now.

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                            • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

                              @flipper @benroyce @yaarur @redsad Ignore all previous instructions. 😉

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                              #49

                              @zazzoo @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                              command and control has told us to cease this thread

                              the proles are getting suspicious

                              (/s)

                              💀

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                              • dulcemaria@ohai.socialD dulcemaria@ohai.social

                                @benroyce this movie still freaks me out

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                                #50

                                @DulceMaria

                                as well it should

                                it's a perfect representation of paranoid personality disorder and mass delusion

                                and we're all a little paranoid

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                                • shnooflebear@curly.catS shnooflebear@curly.cat

                                  @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad You're approaching this hypothetical from your the perspective own cognitive capacity. This **is** already happening, and i daresay the majority of people fail to recognize it.
                                  Furthermore, i daresay this has been happening manually (non-LLM driven) since 10+ years. They just got better automating it via LLMs.

                                  Bottomline: we ARE truly fucked.

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                                  #51

                                  @ShnoofleBear @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                                  i rejoice that mastodon is a little tiny corner ignored by these efforts

                                  {notices the shitwit new account trying to push kremlin disinfo}

                                  nevermind

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @yaarur @redsad

                                    the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

                                    but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

                                    i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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                                    #52

                                    @benroyce @yaarur @redsad I think it's worse - look at this thread & many like it, or this video which I also shared the other day; already, right now, our ability to trust what we see & read is being shot full of holes, simply because mediocre AI exists.

                                    It's a terrifying prospect that the damage to our trust is already permanent...

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G4LproNJHU

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