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  • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

    Er færger klimavenlige? Svarene er virkelig i øst og vest. Jeg har forsøgt at blive klogere. Min bedste forståelse af den klimavenlige færgetur kan koges ned til denne sætning: Den ideele færgetur tilbyder en smutvej, er beregnet til transport (ikke cruise), kører på vedvarende energi (eller i det mindste LNG), du er gående passager, og færgen kører relativt langsomt. Uddyber her: https://minus1.ghost.io/faergers-klimavenlighed #transport #ferry #klimarejser #climatetravel

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    @malte

    Alt skal gå så helvedes hurtigt, og der skal være cirkus, underholdning og noget at spise (crap) hele tiden.

    Færger er fantastiske. Jeg savner fx færgen mellem Juelsminde og Kalundborg 🙂 Jeg håber også på mere el eller mere vildt. Vind!

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    • engedal@mstdn.dkE engedal@mstdn.dk

      @malte

      Alt skal gå så helvedes hurtigt, og der skal være cirkus, underholdning og noget at spise (crap) hele tiden.

      Færger er fantastiske. Jeg savner fx færgen mellem Juelsminde og Kalundborg 🙂 Jeg håber også på mere el eller mere vildt. Vind!

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      @engedal Jeg hepper også på mere vind! https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/05/how-to-design-a-sailing-ship-for-the-21st-century/

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      • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

        Højt på min ønskeliste: En opdateret oversigt, gerne som kort, over færgeruterne i Europa hvor deres energikilde fremgår (diesel, el, LNG, hybrid etc). Findes det?

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        @malte det her er fra 2024 https://ec.europa.eu/maritimeaffairs/atlas/maritime_atlas/#lang=EN;p=w;bkgd=1;theme=85:0.75;c=1253866.2175874892,9909790.466673998;z=3

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        • R rbg@radikal.social

          @malte det her er fra 2024 https://ec.europa.eu/maritimeaffairs/atlas/maritime_atlas/#lang=EN;p=w;bkgd=1;theme=85:0.75;c=1253866.2175874892,9909790.466673998;z=3

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          @RBG Jeg har godt stødt på det kort før og troede det var svaret på min eftersøgning. Men jeg kan faktisk ikke få info frem for de enkelte ruter. Kan du?

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          • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

            Er færger klimavenlige? Svarene er virkelig i øst og vest. Jeg har forsøgt at blive klogere. Min bedste forståelse af den klimavenlige færgetur kan koges ned til denne sætning: Den ideele færgetur tilbyder en smutvej, er beregnet til transport (ikke cruise), kører på vedvarende energi (eller i det mindste LNG), du er gående passager, og færgen kører relativt langsomt. Uddyber her: https://minus1.ghost.io/faergers-klimavenlighed #transport #ferry #klimarejser #climatetravel

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            @malte Ferries 3/3:
            What I think would be extremely useful would be to have public accessible data for each ships a) total fuel consumption pr year and, b) total miles sailed pr year. This would give a quite cualified mean figure to compare ferries. This data surely exists, but not for the public eye. I know the Danish state requires shipping companies to report these kind of data on a company level already.

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            • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

              Er færger klimavenlige? Svarene er virkelig i øst og vest. Jeg har forsøgt at blive klogere. Min bedste forståelse af den klimavenlige færgetur kan koges ned til denne sætning: Den ideele færgetur tilbyder en smutvej, er beregnet til transport (ikke cruise), kører på vedvarende energi (eller i det mindste LNG), du er gående passager, og færgen kører relativt langsomt. Uddyber her: https://minus1.ghost.io/faergers-klimavenlighed #transport #ferry #klimarejser #climatetravel

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              @malte another very viable option I see is to make it easy and desirable for shipping companies to bring passengers (again).. Any cargoship can legally bring up to 12 passengers. Right now some of the main obstacles are insurance and visa bureaucracy. I think this could be solved. Not as romantic as green sailing vessels, I know, but until capitalism burns down, these ships will be going all over the place anyway, and you would just be hitching a ride..

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              • kaalogkartofler@venner.networkK kaalogkartofler@venner.network

                @malte another very viable option I see is to make it easy and desirable for shipping companies to bring passengers (again).. Any cargoship can legally bring up to 12 passengers. Right now some of the main obstacles are insurance and visa bureaucracy. I think this could be solved. Not as romantic as green sailing vessels, I know, but until capitalism burns down, these ships will be going all over the place anyway, and you would just be hitching a ride..

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                @malte here is a density map of current shipping lanes globally and in the North Atlantic.

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                • kaalogkartofler@venner.networkK kaalogkartofler@venner.network

                  @malte here is a density map of current shipping lanes globally and in the North Atlantic.

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                  @kaalogkartofler Speaking of maps, do you know of a map of passenger ferries in Europe where their energy source is stated?

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                  • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                    @kaalogkartofler Speaking of maps, do you know of a map of passenger ferries in Europe where their energy source is stated?

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                    @malte unfortunately not 😞 And there is a lot of greenwash with hybrid vessels BTW. Like, it doesn't make your vessel much greener if you just install a big batterypack and then charge it by burning diesel fuel in your onboard generators:) If you connect to the powegrid in port it is a completely different story.

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                    • engedal@mstdn.dkE engedal@mstdn.dk

                      @malte

                      Alt skal gå så helvedes hurtigt, og der skal være cirkus, underholdning og noget at spise (crap) hele tiden.

                      Færger er fantastiske. Jeg savner fx færgen mellem Juelsminde og Kalundborg 🙂 Jeg håber også på mere el eller mere vildt. Vind!

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                      @engedal
                      @malte
                      Jeg savner færgen mellem Bandholm og Askø, som nu afgår fra Kragenæs og tager meget længere tid.

                      Færgerne mellem Rødbyhavn og Puttgarden er hybridfærger, der sejler på diesel og el, og som nu ombygges til plug-ins, så de kan lade op, når de lægger til kaj, og øge andelen af el til 80 procent. Jeg er dog overrasket over denne investering, fordi Femern Bælt-tunnelen vil være færdig om fire år.

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                      • kaalogkartofler@venner.networkK kaalogkartofler@venner.network

                        @malte unfortunately not 😞 And there is a lot of greenwash with hybrid vessels BTW. Like, it doesn't make your vessel much greener if you just install a big batterypack and then charge it by burning diesel fuel in your onboard generators:) If you connect to the powegrid in port it is a completely different story.

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                        @kaalogkartofler LOL, do these exist? Battery propelled ferries that charge their batteries with an onboard diesel engine? That is some unnecessary electrical generation.

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                        • kaalogkartofler@venner.networkK kaalogkartofler@venner.network

                          @malte unfortunately not 😞 And there is a lot of greenwash with hybrid vessels BTW. Like, it doesn't make your vessel much greener if you just install a big batterypack and then charge it by burning diesel fuel in your onboard generators:) If you connect to the powegrid in port it is a completely different story.

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                          @kaalogkartofler Let me know if you come across one of those maps. I would love to see it..

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                          • genstart@mstdn.dkG genstart@mstdn.dk

                            @engedal
                            @malte
                            Jeg savner færgen mellem Bandholm og Askø, som nu afgår fra Kragenæs og tager meget længere tid.

                            Færgerne mellem Rødbyhavn og Puttgarden er hybridfærger, der sejler på diesel og el, og som nu ombygges til plug-ins, så de kan lade op, når de lægger til kaj, og øge andelen af el til 80 procent. Jeg er dog overrasket over denne investering, fordi Femern Bælt-tunnelen vil være færdig om fire år.

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                            @Genstart Med sådan en investering må der næsten være en plan for at de skal køre videre et andet sted?

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