Frankly, I think #archlinux is the most #userfriendly #Linux distribution I can think of.
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Frankly, I think #archlinux is the most #userfriendly #Linux distribution I can think of. I just tried to figure out how to upgrade #kubuntu to the new 25.10 release, and it is not possible for me. And it includes lots of reading complex instructions and doing shell commands, and in the end nothing happened. Even the grapical commands it says to use does have any kind of meaningful response.
sudo pacman -Suy is *so* much easier
@anderslund I have yet to do a Kubuntu upgrade, so take this with a grain of salt - but if it follows normal Ubuntu tradition it's no biggie
You just do
> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
to prepare your current Kubuntu for upgradethen do
> sudo do-release-upgrade -dHowever, you may need to hold off upgrading if you're using flatpaks, because there is an ongoing issue with 25.10 that has not been resolved yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flatpak/+bug/2122161
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@anderslund I have yet to do a Kubuntu upgrade, so take this with a grain of salt - but if it follows normal Ubuntu tradition it's no biggie
You just do
> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
to prepare your current Kubuntu for upgradethen do
> sudo do-release-upgrade -dHowever, you may need to hold off upgrading if you're using flatpaks, because there is an ongoing issue with 25.10 that has not been resolved yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flatpak/+bug/2122161
@simonjust that is about what I did. I didn't see any text recommending -d, whatever that means. What I know is that nothing did anything at all. I do have some flatpak packages installed, or may have. I don't think I will recommend anyone to install ubuntu in any form.
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@anderslund I have yet to do a Kubuntu upgrade, so take this with a grain of salt - but if it follows normal Ubuntu tradition it's no biggie
You just do
> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
to prepare your current Kubuntu for upgradethen do
> sudo do-release-upgrade -dHowever, you may need to hold off upgrading if you're using flatpaks, because there is an ongoing issue with 25.10 that has not been resolved yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flatpak/+bug/2122161
@simonjust that -d did the trick ... They should really put that in the documentaton. But it is still much easier, faster and likely safer to update arch
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@simonjust that is about what I did. I didn't see any text recommending -d, whatever that means. What I know is that nothing did anything at all. I do have some flatpak packages installed, or may have. I don't think I will recommend anyone to install ubuntu in any form.
@anderslund -d is for development releases normally, but at this point it point its the final 25.10
People won't get notified of an upgrade before the bugfix point release aka 25.10.1
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@anderslund -d is for development releases normally, but at this point it point its the final 25.10
People won't get notified of an upgrade before the bugfix point release aka 25.10.1
@simonjust As said , it is a coplicated, convoluted system. Their documentation does not mention the -d switch.
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@anderslund -d is for development releases normally, but at this point it point its the final 25.10
People won't get notified of an upgrade before the bugfix point release aka 25.10.1
@simonjust "the upgrade may take several hours"
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@simonjust that -d did the trick ... They should really put that in the documentaton. But it is still much easier, faster and likely safer to update arch
@anderslund Yeah, I felt the same after I tried the Fedora way of doing upgrades. Felt way more robust to be honest.
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@simonjust "the upgrade may take several hours"
@anderslund Must be a message that hasn't been changed for decades
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@anderslund Yeah, I felt the same after I tried the Fedora way of doing upgrades. Felt way more robust to be honest.
@simonjust I tested fedora kde, but frankly, I do not feel like showing that to anyone - it's like you have to start by fixing it, look-wise
My arch installation is as old as the pc have been in my possesion, never caused issues.
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@simonjust I tested fedora kde, but frankly, I do not feel like showing that to anyone - it's like you have to start by fixing it, look-wise
My arch installation is as old as the pc have been in my possesion, never caused issues.
@anderslund I've never tried Arch - maybe it's time
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@anderslund I've never tried Arch - maybe it's time
@simonjust install once, run for a lifetime
Just be carful with AUR. Use a helper. -
@simonjust install once, run for a lifetime
Just be carful with AUR. Use a helper.@anderslund Sounds good! I definitely will use a helper
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@anderslund Sounds good! I definitely will use a helper
@simonjust I think it is much easier nowadays, with a graphical installer that allows you to install additional packates, like a desktop. Last time I installed, the procedure was to install a minimal system, and then install whatever I wanted from there.
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@simonjust I think it is much easier nowadays, with a graphical installer that allows you to install additional packates, like a desktop. Last time I installed, the procedure was to install a minimal system, and then install whatever I wanted from there.
@anderslund Yeah, I miss being able to select packages during install. My memory is a bit hazy regarding this, but I think you could do that in old Ubuntus before 12.04.
I think the simplification was meant to ease people into the ecosystem, but not being able to pick, say, KDE or XFCE in the standard installer might have been a disadvantage. Those desktop environments feel less alien to former Windows users.
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@anderslund Yeah, I miss being able to select packages during install. My memory is a bit hazy regarding this, but I think you could do that in old Ubuntus before 12.04.
I think the simplification was meant to ease people into the ecosystem, but not being able to pick, say, KDE or XFCE in the standard installer might have been a disadvantage. Those desktop environments feel less alien to former Windows users.
@simonjust there are meta packages for plasma, but just installing plasma-desktop will drag most stuff needed in. HAving a desktop is a huge value for me
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@anderslund Yeah, I miss being able to select packages during install. My memory is a bit hazy regarding this, but I think you could do that in old Ubuntus before 12.04.
I think the simplification was meant to ease people into the ecosystem, but not being able to pick, say, KDE or XFCE in the standard installer might have been a disadvantage. Those desktop environments feel less alien to former Windows users.
@simonjust My kubuntu upgrade is done, though, no issues detected yet, and no bad signs. So now I can add "try typing 5 km in krunner" to my newcomer suggestion list
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@simonjust My kubuntu upgrade is done, though, no issues detected yet, and no bad signs. So now I can add "try typing 5 km in krunner" to my newcomer suggestion list
@anderslund Great!
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Frankly, I think #archlinux is the most #userfriendly #Linux distribution I can think of. I just tried to figure out how to upgrade #kubuntu to the new 25.10 release, and it is not possible for me. And it includes lots of reading complex instructions and doing shell commands, and in the end nothing happened. Even the grapical commands it says to use does have any kind of meaningful response.
sudo pacman -Suy is *so* much easier
@anderslund I dunno. Doesn't seem to be an issue for most people.
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@anderslund I dunno. Doesn't seem to be an issue for most people.
@jonw Well someone pointed me to use do-release-upgrade -d, appearantly because ubuntu do not see the 25.10 version. Then it worked. But why not mention that in the documentation, and various webpages instcucting how to upgrade? Searching the web for "how to upgrade kubuntu to new release" did not lead me to any page (that I read) containing the required information, neither did links included in the release announcement.
I last used *ubuntu probably more than 20 years ago, revisiting now in the hope that it would be a user friendly experince, ironically.
