Valve: “We need a credit card on file to prove you’re 18”
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@draeath @SecurityWriter HL1 was already a game changer for me. I started playing FPS when Doom was on a set of 1.44M floppy disks, and its pseudo-3D gameplay was real magic, running on an i286 below 20MHz clock.
HL brought a real, movie like, story, in 3D gaming. That was amazing, and it still is, if you look beyond the now pixelated screens.
The only other game that brought me adrenaline, even when standing still, is HL:Alyx, played in VR. That leaves speechless.@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter See, now we know you're making this up, because DOOM required an i386 or better …
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Valve: “We need a credit card on file to prove you’re 18”
Me: “My account is 23 years old”
Valve: “That just proves your account is old”
Me: “A credit card just proves you know someone with a credit card”
@SecurityWriter by asking for a credit card the circle of surveillance is complete.
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@lunareclipse@snug.moe @maia@shrimp.magmaus3.eu.org yeah . lots of actual adults in the UK were/are unable to verify easily on steam due to literally not having a credit card lol. so it's clearly a very flawed way of verifying the age of your customers. but I kinda get why they did it this way - it is one of the least intrusive methods of doing it, given that Steam users already provide payment information. it minimizes the amount of data that they actually collect because Wow It Would Not Be Fun To Have To Present My Passport To Valve If I Was British.
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Valve: “We need a credit card on file to prove you’re 18”
Me: “My account is 23 years old”
Valve: “That just proves your account is old”
Me: “A credit card just proves you know someone with a credit card”
@SecurityWriter considering my name, address, and SS number have all been leaked at least 3 times now I don't think having a credit card even proves you know someone with a credit card anymore.
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Ok this is interesting.
The desktop app has no such restrictions, only mobile.
@SecurityWriter my favorite is apps that offer webauthn features on their mobile app, but desktop doesn't offer 2FA? Da fuq? Do they have an actual fucking potato doing their threat modeling?
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@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter See, now we know you're making this up, because DOOM required an i386 or better …
@farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter Well, you make me doubt of my memories, but I remember that at that division we still had "286 at the time. Quite confident that a guy on the purchasing dept. had a '286 when we played 4 players deathmatch on local Novell IPX network.
Did we already switch to 386?
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@farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter Well, you make me doubt of my memories, but I remember that at that division we still had "286 at the time. Quite confident that a guy on the purchasing dept. had a '286 when we played 4 players deathmatch on local Novell IPX network.
Did we already switch to 386?@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/a4yi5t/original_doom_system_requirements_from_my_25_year/ here's a copy of the original spec thas lists i386 as minimum, i486 as recommended. I seriously doubt a DOS extender would have worked on an i286, anyway …
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That account is 23 years old, what if it was just passed on to you from someone else?
So what if I go through the age verification and then pass my account on to someone else?
@chebra @SecurityWriter their TOS forbid passing on accounts to someone else (even when you die). Thus it's not possible, because you'd obviously violate their TOS. And nobody would do that
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Valve: “We need a credit card on file to prove you’re 18”
Me: “My account is 23 years old”
Valve: “That just proves your account is old”
Me: “A credit card just proves you know someone with a credit card”
@SecurityWriter The kids at school are impressed that my daughters Steam account has well over 200 games.
(Thanks, HumbleBundle!)
Okay, it's my account, but she plays games on it more than I do! -
@chebra @SecurityWriter their TOS forbid passing on accounts to someone else (even when you die). Thus it's not possible, because you'd obviously violate their TOS. And nobody would do that
@skaverat As if TOS ever stopped anyone. But my point is that in that case they don't need object against those 23 year-old accounts. So either they are accepting the possibility, or they aren't. If that possibility exists, then it will exist also after the new age verification and they can just ask for re-verification one week later with exactly the same reasoning.
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@SecurityWriter using a desktop is dating yourself. as an old fart.
@yetzt @SecurityWriter But, it’s steam. How can you play games without a desktop.
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@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter See, now we know you're making this up, because DOOM required an i386 or better …
@farbenstau @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter you can run DOOM on a fly's brain.
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@SecurityWriter I still need to constantly input my date of birth before seeing some game pages even though the setting is set in my profile. Wtf?
@rejzor @SecurityWriter I don't remember where it is but there is a setting for that. I managed to turn off age promoting because yeah, rather annoying. Especially when it's for stuff that shouldn't even need it.
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@chebra then you’re in violation of Steams EULA and they’ll happily terminate your account for you.
Your Account, including any information pertaining to it (e.g.: contact information, billing information, Account history and Subscriptions, etc.), is strictly personal. You may therefore not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account[…]
/cc @SecurityWriter
@heals @chebra @SecurityWriter "it's personal" "we tell you how you can use it"
That doesn't sound personal at all.
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@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter See, now we know you're making this up, because DOOM required an i386 or better …
@farbenstau @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter Wolfenstein 3D did run on a 286.
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@farbenstau @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter Wolfenstein 3D did run on a 286.
@RandamuMaki @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter Heh. Actually never tried that back in the days, because possession of that game was illegal in my country back then.
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@farbenstau @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter you can run DOOM on a fly's brain.
@dresstokilt @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter That's true for latest reimplementations, but the original was only for i386, as said above: clearly my memories on when we switched from i286 to i386 in that department were wrong!
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@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/a4yi5t/original_doom_system_requirements_from_my_25_year/ here's a copy of the original spec thas lists i386 as minimum, i486 as recommended. I seriously doubt a DOS extender would have worked on an i286, anyway …
@farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter Yep, you're right: then we had switched to 386!
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My memories of three decades ago are disappearing, I'm ready for retirement!
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@dresstokilt @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter That's true for latest reimplementations, but the original was only for i386, as said above: clearly my memories on when we switched from i286 to i386 in that department were wrong!
@luc0x61 @dresstokilt @draeath @SecurityWriter See, that's why I'm glad this isn't Twitter - over there, instead of admitting one is wrong, the typical reply would have involved questioning my mother's morale, followed by a block and counter-block. 🤪
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@dresstokilt @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter That's true for latest reimplementations, but the original was only for i386, as said above: clearly my memories on when we switched from i286 to i386 in that department were wrong!
@luc0x61 @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter my 286 only had a CGA card so I don't think it could have handled it anyway.
