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  3. TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive.

TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive.

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  • petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP petitmote@toot.aquilenet.fr

    @leaverou I don't think that infography makes any sense. We do have a sensibility to green, but we still see colors from 400nm to 800nm. Also, what species of crow is that? I don't know any with white spots and a yellow beak.

    Is there any source for that?

    Edit: definitely, the curves don't mean anything

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    #37

    @petitmote The alt text is wrong: that's very much a starling, which even to my human (pretty-sure-non-tetrachromatic) eyes only need a little sunlight on them to be irridescent.

    @leaverou

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    • alpacamale@social.cologneA alpacamale@social.cologne

      @leaverou Could you make the colors visible by taking a photo in RAW format and adjusting the color settings? I don't know how camera sensors work, but maybe they're able to capture these colors.

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      #38

      @alpacamale Cameras sensors work in black & white and have colour filters in front of it.

      The exact filter layout varies depending on exact sensor types/brands (there's more than one type of filter), unless filter is removed, they all filter out infrared and ultraviolet. So you can't "see" ultra-violet by just editing RAW. Nor printers and screen can render it.

      One might amplify visible colors and add fake colours, such as violet (instead of UV, which can't be seen by humans anyway)

      @leaverou

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      • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

        TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

        Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

        Some colors just require different eyes.

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        #39

        @leaverou so now we are birds haha

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        • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

          TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

          Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

          Some colors just require different eyes.

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          #40

          @leaverou birds are tetrachromats and can see UV.

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          • jamesmarshall@sfba.socialJ jamesmarshall@sfba.social

            @leaverou wait, birds are tetrachromatic? Cool!

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            #41

            @jamesmarshall @leaverou

            i think you already know, but if not:

            there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

            all women

            because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

            normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

            https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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            • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

              TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

              Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

              Some colors just require different eyes.

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              #42

              @leaverou

              It’s much easier to see with Starlings but the light has to be right.

              I have a bunch of shots like this one that shows the iridescent nature of the starlings fairly clearly. Obviously it would be much more dramatic if the camera could detect further into the IR and UV but this is unmodified out of a Nikon D5300 and is how I remember it looked to my eye.

              I’ve never noticed this with crows or ravens around here but it’s common to see that flash of weird blue and green on magpies.

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              • jamesmarshall@sfba.socialJ jamesmarshall@sfba.social

                @leaverou wait, birds are tetrachromatic? Cool!

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                #43

                @jamesmarshall @leaverou Birds are tetrachromatic because their ancestors were larger carnivorous dinosaurs, they didn't lose their colour receptors because they were generally diurnal creatures. Mammals are mostly bichromatic (aside from a few exceptions like apes) because our ancestors were small burrowing creatures that couldn't go out during the day with all the big bird ancestors, so they only came out at night, as such our ancestors lost a large chunk of their unused colour vision.

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                • petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP petitmote@toot.aquilenet.fr

                  @marymessall @leaverou yes, thank you, I think it's about that. I'd enjoy a source to better understand all of this, and yes, ideally compare the colors curve of the bird with the human vision.

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                  #44

                  @petitmote @leaverou

                  This page is a pretty decent explainer for human color vision... I'm afraid I don't have a link about birds. Maybe someone else will!

                  https://colourliteracy.org/seeing-colours

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @jamesmarshall @leaverou

                    i think you already know, but if not:

                    there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

                    all women

                    because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

                    normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

                    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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                    #45

                    @benroyce @jamesmarshall @leaverou

                    So, they see 10x the color data, they see it _without_ added tech, and why do I have a suspicion that they still get labeled as "inferior".

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                      #46

                      @jamesmarshall @benroyce @leaverou I looked it up. Cool!

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                      • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                        TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                        Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                        Some colors just require different eyes.

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                        #47

                        @leaverou I wonder if this applied to dinosaur perception of dinosaur feathers...

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                        • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                          TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                          Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                          Some colors just require different eyes.

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                          #48

                          @leaverou more of this content pls

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                          • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                            TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                            Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                            Some colors just require different eyes.

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                            #49

                            @leaverou @maudenificent the other thing that looks more interesting when you assign visible colours to invisible wavelengths – the universe as seen by radio telescopes.

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @jamesmarshall @leaverou

                              i think you already know, but if not:

                              there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

                              all women

                              because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

                              normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

                              https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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                              #50

                              @benroyce I don’t like the word “superhuman” in the title. She is a human, isn’t she?

                              @jamesmarshall @leaverou

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                              • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                #51

                                @leaverou The same applies to people. Don't deny your richness just because you're not understood for the time being.

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                                • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                  TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                  Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                  Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                  #52

                                  @leaverou Yup. And we explain to ourselves that the females are usually drab brown because we are a ridiculous species of ape who have conditioned ourselves to view female as inferior, but to birds, that drab brown contains multitudes of colors that just confuse our eyes. If anything they are more brilliant.

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