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  • bluebells@tldr.nettime.orgB bluebells@tldr.nettime.org

    @tante is there an alternative to google scholar out there? unsure if they will do anything to that imminently but that's where I find journal articles

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    #4

    @bluebells https://paperpile.com/g/academic-search-engines/ @tante

    bluebells@tldr.nettime.orgB tregeagle@mastodon.sdf.orgT r0gues4t3llite@ieji.deR 3 Replies Last reply
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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

      While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

      Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

      This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

      If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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      #5

      @tante this is all stock driven. if investors don't bite, these plans will just disappear.

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      • endolexi@social.vivaldi.netE endolexi@social.vivaldi.net

        @bluebells https://paperpile.com/g/academic-search-engines/ @tante

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        #6

        @endolexi thanks (your link in your post has tante's url connected to it but editing it off, I was able to use the link)

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        • bluebells@tldr.nettime.orgB bluebells@tldr.nettime.org

          @endolexi thanks (your link in your post has tante's url connected to it but editing it off, I was able to use the link)

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          #7

          @bluebells sorry, corrected it anyway! ^^ Hope you find what you're looking for!

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

            While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

            Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

            This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

            If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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            frutigeraero00@mastodon.social
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            #8

            @tante Yea I think their dream is to have a device with only one interactable IA and nothing more, like if that were the lamp genie who searchs and make everything that the user wants when prompted. I think they are aiming in that direction. Not having an GUI or apps, only IA that will make everything.

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            • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @tante this is all stock driven. if investors don't bite, these plans will just disappear.

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              #9

              @lritter @tante The sad part is that the investors will bite, because if it works, it will mean number go up, big time.

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              • endolexi@social.vivaldi.netE endolexi@social.vivaldi.net

                @bluebells https://paperpile.com/g/academic-search-engines/ @tante

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                #10

                @endolexi @bluebells @tante https://www.sci-hub.pub/

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                  While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                  Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                  This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                  If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                  #11

                  @tante Google blog article, https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/sundar-pichai-io-2026/#agents

                  "Search in the agentic era"

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                    While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                    Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                    This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                    If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                    #12

                    @tante https://geminiquickst.art

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                    • cohentheblue@ohai.socialC cohentheblue@ohai.social

                      @tante Google blog article, https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/sundar-pichai-io-2026/#agents

                      "Search in the agentic era"

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                      theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social
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                      #13

                      @cohentheblue

                      What the fuck is even going on with their branding in that header image? I swear, branding has gotten significantly worse in the last 2 years. It was boring before, but now it is just all over the place.

                      @tante

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                      • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

                        @cohentheblue

                        What the fuck is even going on with their branding in that header image? I swear, branding has gotten significantly worse in the last 2 years. It was boring before, but now it is just all over the place.

                        @tante

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                        janosrusiczki@mastodon.social
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                        #14

                        @theeclecticdyslexic @cohentheblue @tante it's a hallucinated version of their logo 🙂

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                        • F frutigeraero00@mastodon.social

                          @tante Yea I think their dream is to have a device with only one interactable IA and nothing more, like if that were the lamp genie who searchs and make everything that the user wants when prompted. I think they are aiming in that direction. Not having an GUI or apps, only IA that will make everything.

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                          @FrutigerAero00 @tante I think so too. And that also means they control access to everything you can do and know online. And that's frightening.

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                            While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                            Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                            This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                            If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                            #16

                            @tante switch to a different search enginr. Did thst long ago when google search rrsults started to be crap already.

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                            • 1024bytes@masto.ai1 1024bytes@masto.ai

                              @tante switch to a different search enginr. Did thst long ago when google search rrsults started to be crap already.

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                              #17

                              @1024Bytes I already did quite a while ago. Google's chokehold on that space is massive though

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                                While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                                Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                                This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                                If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                                #18

                                @tante Feed it! Feed it slop until it starts hallucinating full time.

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                                • 1024bytes@masto.ai1 1024bytes@masto.ai

                                  @tante switch to a different search enginr. Did thst long ago when google search rrsults started to be crap already.

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                                  #19

                                  @1024Bytes @tante
                                  I tried DuckDuckGo (Really Bing and does now have a noAI mode) for a while but now use Qwant.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                                    While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                                    Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                                    This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                                    If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                                    #20

                                    @tante I remember the slogan ”organize the world's information and make it accessible,” and it still appears on their website. To us non-galaxy-brained folks, the AI push fails on both counts: it DISorganizes info into slop and makes it INaccessible to anyone not able or willing to pay.

                                    No doubt they'd spin it as consistent, but I think of someone being forced to drink from a firehose and being told they ‘have access to to the world's water’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgPgsvxxxKE

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

                                      While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

                                      Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

                                      This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

                                      If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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                                      #21

                                      @tante ok so we're at war with ... (checks notes) Google? Not Meta? Not Microsoft? Not Amazon? Not Oracle? Not Palantir? Not Apple? Not Tesla? Not X?

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                                      • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                                        @tante ok so we're at war with ... (checks notes) Google? Not Meta? Not Microsoft? Not Amazon? Not Oracle? Not Palantir? Not Apple? Not Tesla? Not X?

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                                        #22

                                        @tante I think we're gonna need a bigger boat

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                                        • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                                          @tante ok so we're at war with ... (checks notes) Google? Not Meta? Not Microsoft? Not Amazon? Not Oracle? Not Palantir? Not Apple? Not Tesla? Not X?

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                                          #23

                                          @codinghorror why not all of them? 😉

                                          This is not a "just google is bad" kind of thing. It's just that the one company that structures most people's access to the web decided to change the contract unilaterally. I think that that specific thing needs highlighting while also burning Meta and X and all them to the ground. We can contain multitudes (of ways of defending access to information, expression and connection)

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