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  3. Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

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  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

    One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

    #NHS #Palantir
    h/t FT

    thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT nobrainnopain@social.tchncs.deN cy@fedicy.us.toC johnmashey@mstdn.socialJ jdgeoshack@social.vivaldi.netJ 20 Replies Last reply
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    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

      Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

      One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

      #NHS #Palantir
      h/t FT

      thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @ChrisMayLA6 I was really pleased to see this.

      I wrote to my (labour) MP saying I wanted to opt out of my data being given to Palantir (or anything associated with Peter Thiel) and got a very wet response about 'your data won't be hacked' (as if that was the issue...) I pointed out that having the big fox in the henhouse, keeping the other foxes out, didn't reassure me!

      I didn't get a further response, but it does seem I'm not the only one in expressing such discomfort!

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      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

        Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

        One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

        #NHS #Palantir
        h/t FT

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        #3

        @ChrisMayLA6 BTW https://gwallter.com/politics/who-is-louis-mosley.html like it says; you can't choose your ancestors, but when your grandad was Oswald Mosley, you might think twice about taking a role leading a company named after Sauron's all seeing eye of corruption, who (for anyone paying even moderate attention) are the vanguard of tech-bro fascism....

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        • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

          Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

          One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

          #NHS #Palantir
          h/t FT

          nobrainnopain@social.tchncs.deN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @ChrisMayLA6 at least some people do have balls.

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          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

            Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

            One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

            #NHS #Palantir
            h/t FT

            cy@fedicy.us.toC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5
            National Health Service...?
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            • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

              Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

              One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

              #NHS #Palantir
              h/t FT

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              #6

              @ChrisMayLA6
              I’ve attended 3 NoKings days in nearby Palo Alto, home of Palantir, which inspired my sign to reference British author’ John Brunner’s “The Shockwave Rider”:

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              • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                #NHS #Palantir
                h/t FT

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                #7

                @ChrisMayLA6 Good. Fuck Palantir and all stupid shoehorned in "spicy autocorrect" BS. Pushback has to happen in every company using these "tools", for as long as it takes for corporations to realise they are not profitable.

                In fact, they are costing them money and time and people. Why spend more on some garbage in garbage out system that is only going to cause more headaches and frustration?

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                • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                  Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                  One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                  #NHS #Palantir
                  h/t FT

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                  #8

                  @ChrisMayLA6 the Grauniad was also reporting last year, when the DoH was leaning on NHS Trusts to accelerate its introduction, that frontline staff were also in revolt because the software was useless compared to what they were already using

                  Let’s hope the backlash kills it once & for all. Then we just need Palantir extricated from the police, military and all the other aspects of government in which they have been embedded

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                  • cy@fedicy.us.toC cy@fedicy.us.to
                    National Health Service...?
                    chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @cy

                    Yes....

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                    • simon318ppm@mastodon.sdf.orgS simon318ppm@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @ChrisMayLA6 the Grauniad was also reporting last year, when the DoH was leaning on NHS Trusts to accelerate its introduction, that frontline staff were also in revolt because the software was useless compared to what they were already using

                      Let’s hope the backlash kills it once & for all. Then we just need Palantir extricated from the police, military and all the other aspects of government in which they have been embedded

                      chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @Simon318ppm

                      Yup, exactly what we all need to do where we can

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                      • cy@fedicy.us.toC cy@fedicy.us.to
                        National Health Service...?
                        kdelta@ieji.deK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @cy If it’s a genuine question in the UK the countries have free healthcare at the point of need. You pay nothing. It’s the same in the western world except the USoAmerica where people are expected to pay for every paracetamol.

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                        • thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT thechildofroth@mastodon.world

                          @ChrisMayLA6 I was really pleased to see this.

                          I wrote to my (labour) MP saying I wanted to opt out of my data being given to Palantir (or anything associated with Peter Thiel) and got a very wet response about 'your data won't be hacked' (as if that was the issue...) I pointed out that having the big fox in the henhouse, keeping the other foxes out, didn't reassure me!

                          I didn't get a further response, but it does seem I'm not the only one in expressing such discomfort!

                          reggiehere@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @thechildofroth

                          I've heard variations of this said before and while it might be a neat political deflection it completely misses the point.

                          MPs are mostly, sometimes laughably ignorant of technology but you'd hope that they'd make an effort to keep up with some of the more obvious technical trends and public sentiment.

                          @ChrisMayLA6

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                          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                            Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                            One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                            #NHS #Palantir
                            h/t FT

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                            #13

                            @ChrisMayLA6

                            This is encouraging news and I can even understand the choice to reuse an existing process to cater for the detractors, but I'm left wondering whether the govt understands or cares about the wider issues of technical sovereignty.

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                            • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                              Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                              One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                              #NHS #Palantir
                              h/t FT

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                              #14

                              @ChrisMayLA6 Fabulous. Full respect to the individuals involved. Minister Streeting will predictably attempt strong-arm tactics , but will face solidarity and strike action. He has lost, and must back down. Wise citizens loathe Palantir and everything it stands for. NHS data is PRIVATE to citizen patients &, by consent, their NHS doctors.

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                              • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                                Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                                One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                                #NHS #Palantir
                                h/t FT

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                                #15

                                @ChrisMayLA6 Wow... impressive integrity! I wish more swedish people were like that when it comes to being forced to work with unethical companies products.

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                                • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                                  Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                                  One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                                  #NHS #Palantir
                                  h/t FT

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                                  #16

                                  @ChrisMayLA6

                                  Thank you for info

                                  One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’.

                                  A massive THANK YOU for such Persons with a conscience and backbone

                                  Things which cannot be found in Starmers office or among his subordinated minions.

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                                  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                                    Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                                    One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                                    #NHS #Palantir
                                    h/t FT

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                                    #17

                                    @ChrisMayLA6 "Controversial" seems like a very non-committal term for a clearly evil outfit.

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                                    • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                                      @thechildofroth

                                      I've heard variations of this said before and while it might be a neat political deflection it completely misses the point.

                                      MPs are mostly, sometimes laughably ignorant of technology but you'd hope that they'd make an effort to keep up with some of the more obvious technical trends and public sentiment.

                                      @ChrisMayLA6

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                                      #18

                                      @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6 to be this far in to the 21st century and not understand surveillance capitalism, as a politician, is a pretty scary place (for those of us represented by these people) to be!

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                                      • thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT thechildofroth@mastodon.world

                                        @ChrisMayLA6 BTW https://gwallter.com/politics/who-is-louis-mosley.html like it says; you can't choose your ancestors, but when your grandad was Oswald Mosley, you might think twice about taking a role leading a company named after Sauron's all seeing eye of corruption, who (for anyone paying even moderate attention) are the vanguard of tech-bro fascism....

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                                        #19

                                        @ChrisMayLA6 The other thing i asked my mp was if they thought Peter Thiel was a fit and proper person, for a nominally progressive govt, to deal with and then had to follow up when I realised they couldn't answer because govt hadn't procured the service, but direct awarded it on the back of some shady business with Mandelson....

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                                        • thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT thechildofroth@mastodon.world

                                          @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6 to be this far in to the 21st century and not understand surveillance capitalism, as a politician, is a pretty scary place (for those of us represented by these people) to be!

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                                          #20

                                          @thechildofroth

                                          I suppose the question is to what degree our MPs are aware of the global geopolitical implications, and by extension whether they themselves are conflicted.

                                          Running a country using software and infrastructure provided by a foreign government raises some serious questions about national sovereignty.

                                          @ChrisMayLA6

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