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  3. Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it.

Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it.

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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

    A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

    gustavinobevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.orgG scottmgs@justme.masto.hostS sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS franco_vazza@mastodon.socialF bitchableiter@troet.cafeB 25 Replies Last reply
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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

      A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

      scottmgs@justme.masto.hostS This user is from outside of this forum
      scottmgs@justme.masto.hostS This user is from outside of this forum
      scottmgs@justme.masto.host
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #2

      @sundogplanets It's like they're dogs and they have to piss on something to prove they exist.

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

        A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

        gustavinobevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
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        gustavinobevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #3

        @sundogplanets

        I'm trying to calculate how many of those orbital data centers are powered by snake oil.

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        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

          Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

          A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

          sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #4

          After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

          But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

          echopapa@social.tchncs.deE andy@social.4142.ioA wtl@mastodon.socialW drs1969@mstdn.socialD sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS 14 Replies Last reply
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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

            A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

            franco_vazza@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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            franco_vazza@mastodon.social
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            #5

            @sundogplanets Jesus, "retired engineers" sending AI generated code, in addition to AI generated drafts of new cosmology-breaking theories is officially my new nightmare...

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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

              But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

              echopapa@social.tchncs.deE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @sundogplanets

              In German, we would say "Scheiß Physik!"

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              • scottmgs@justme.masto.hostS scottmgs@justme.masto.host

                @sundogplanets It's like they're dogs and they have to piss on something to prove they exist.

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                #7

                @sundogplanets Sorry, that's probably not fair to dogs.

                naturemc@mastodon.onlineN puppydoggy@mastodon.socialP 2 Replies Last reply
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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                  But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                  andy@social.4142.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @sundogplanets How much of this sort of thing (these guys, Reflect Orbital, etc.) do you think is just VCs throwing money at something they think is cool, with the companies behind it knowing it'll never work? And how much is just plain idiocy in action, with them genuinely believing it WILL work?

                  hayiwena@mastodon.onlineH florapis@toot.walesF 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                    But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                    wtl@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @sundogplanets I'm pretty sure these companies are really a grift to take investor money to line the founders pockets. Or the founders are really dumb and didn't math this out correctly.

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                      But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                      drs1969@mstdn.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @sundogplanets I'm absolutely convinced it's a scam for getting investment funding. Thats all they have now. Look at the SpaceX IPO vs today. 1/2d in 'value' and the early investors don't care cos they made out when it listed on the stock market.

                      It's just a super fancy version of the Nigerian Prince scam.

                      (See also reflect @#£%ing Orbital)

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                        But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                        sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        This company also posted an ex parte filing (which means they had a super special extra FCC meeting), their satellites are too fucking huge to even be physically possible. They just can't fucking do this.

                        My estimate from looking at this ridiculous sketch is 8x60x10m solar panels... that's a reflecting area of 4800 m^2. The International Space Station, the biggest thing in orbit, has a solar panel area of about 3400 m^2.

                        sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS mmdolbow@mapstodon.spaceM jcarr@techhub.socialJ bwacton@mastodon.socialB doug_bostrom@scicomm.xyzD 12 Replies Last reply
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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                          But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                          leeloo@c.imL This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @sundogplanets
                          So they want the famous crossing parallel straight lines...

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                          • scottmgs@justme.masto.hostS scottmgs@justme.masto.host

                            @sundogplanets Sorry, that's probably not fair to dogs.

                            naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @ScottMGS exactly. Dogs are social animals. @sundogplanets

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              Cowboy Space (I hate their name so much) published their consolidated response a week ago but we just noticed it. EDIT: It was due at 5pm EDT today. So... I guess I have to read this shit. Swearing a lot here will get me through it.

                              A reminder: this is the 4th company that wants to launch fucking enormous "AI data center" satellites into sun-synchronous terminator orbits, giving Earth a ring. This particular company wants 20,000 satellites in one ring.

                              bitchableiter@troet.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @sundogplanets
                              May the Force be with you! 💪

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                This company also posted an ex parte filing (which means they had a super special extra FCC meeting), their satellites are too fucking huge to even be physically possible. They just can't fucking do this.

                                My estimate from looking at this ridiculous sketch is 8x60x10m solar panels... that's a reflecting area of 4800 m^2. The International Space Station, the biggest thing in orbit, has a solar panel area of about 3400 m^2.

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                                #15

                                Sure, completely untested, brand-fucking-new company that has never built or launched a satellite. You can definitely launch 20,000 of the biggest satellites ever built.

                                Oh apparently their first demo mission is scheduled for OCTOBER 2026? Gosh these guys are fucking unreal. The mission is listed as "power beaming demonstration"

                                What does that even fucking mean? Guess they're going to fry some birds and maybe some pilots? Hm. Watch for that I guess.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  After modelling this in detail, I can say that that these companies can't even do basic geometry, apparently. They want tens of thousands of satellites to have 24 hour sunlight, so sun-synchronous terminator orbits, baybeeee!

                                  But as Hugh Lewis pointed out (I know, ew, linkedin sorry) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sun-always-shines-tv-hugh-lewis-tlkbe/ IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK unless you're above 1400km altitude. And then you're not in the *magical* low-latency low-altitude zone that these companies actually want for fast comms.

                                  mathaetaes@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @sundogplanets This is going to turn into another Theranos-level investor scam... lots of money burned, outrageous salaries for the executives and folks involved pocketing tons of money and ultimately failing.

                                  Unlike Theranos, the CEO of Reflect Orbital is a man so he'll get away with less scrutiny, and probably won't face consequences.

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    This company also posted an ex parte filing (which means they had a super special extra FCC meeting), their satellites are too fucking huge to even be physically possible. They just can't fucking do this.

                                    My estimate from looking at this ridiculous sketch is 8x60x10m solar panels... that's a reflecting area of 4800 m^2. The International Space Station, the biggest thing in orbit, has a solar panel area of about 3400 m^2.

                                    mmdolbow@mapstodon.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @sundogplanets they probably put one of those Spinal Tap blokes in charge of the design

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                                    • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                                      @ScottMGS exactly. Dogs are social animals. @sundogplanets

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                                      #18

                                      @NatureMC @sundogplanets 😏 So are people!

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                                      • andy@social.4142.ioA andy@social.4142.io

                                        @sundogplanets How much of this sort of thing (these guys, Reflect Orbital, etc.) do you think is just VCs throwing money at something they think is cool, with the companies behind it knowing it'll never work? And how much is just plain idiocy in action, with them genuinely believing it WILL work?

                                        hayiwena@mastodon.onlineH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @andy @sundogplanets It's a tale as old as The Emperor's New Clothes. Although in that story it's the emperor who's the bad guy not the tailor taking money from a vain emperor.

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          Sure, completely untested, brand-fucking-new company that has never built or launched a satellite. You can definitely launch 20,000 of the biggest satellites ever built.

                                          Oh apparently their first demo mission is scheduled for OCTOBER 2026? Gosh these guys are fucking unreal. The mission is listed as "power beaming demonstration"

                                          What does that even fucking mean? Guess they're going to fry some birds and maybe some pilots? Hm. Watch for that I guess.

                                          mschfr@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @sundogplanets It's still insane that one national agency can approve something like that that has an effect on every country and every other human on this planet.

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