Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
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@juergen_hubert If you want a prince - first you have to bite his head off
@DrorBedrack @juergen_hubert Folklorists have traced this story to its origin, a praying mantis in China.
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
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@The4thCircle thanks for the manga. I was unsure but i recognized the author. Happy to have a New manga to buy.
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
@juergen_hubert interesting! Can I ask for some references about this topic?
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@juergen_hubert interesting! Can I ask for some references about this topic?
Well, I have a few German folk tales regarding such stories, if you can read them.
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@The4thCircle @catsalad @juergen_hubert Laughed. No idea why
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
@juergen_hubert sure she doesn't just have to kiss the animal? I get it, with all the rescuing going on she might become a little violent but I feel like we can save some lifes by being slightly more specific on this detail.
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
@juergen_hubert extreme_realism.gif
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
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Meanwhile, the actual knight in shining armour usually has to resist the advances of a duplicitous woman, so he can resume his quest to find a special chessboard or something like that. -
Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
@juergen_hubert in Tam Lin (Child Ballad 39A) Janet pulls the knight off his horse, he turns into a bunch of animals and a burning brand, she throws the brand into well water, and then he’s human again.
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@juergen_hubert sure she doesn't just have to kiss the animal? I get it, with all the rescuing going on she might become a little violent but I feel like we can save some lifes by being slightly more specific on this detail.
Nope, violence is the only option.
'So she picked up the frog with her finger and thumb, carried him upstairs and put him in a corner, and when she had lain down to sleep, he came creeping up, saying: "I am tired and want sleep as much as you; take me up, or I will tell your father." Then she felt beside herself with rage, and picking him up, she threw him with all her strength against the wall, crying: "Now will you be quiet, you horrid frog!"'
https://www.grimmstories.com/en/grimm_fairy-tales/the_frog_king_or_iron_henry
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@juergen_hubert
Meanwhile, the actual knight in shining armour usually has to resist the advances of a duplicitous woman, so he can resume his quest to find a special chessboard or something like that."Oh, no. Oh, no! Bad, bad Zoot! Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I have just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem."
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Nope, violence is the only option.
'So she picked up the frog with her finger and thumb, carried him upstairs and put him in a corner, and when she had lain down to sleep, he came creeping up, saying: "I am tired and want sleep as much as you; take me up, or I will tell your father." Then she felt beside herself with rage, and picking him up, she threw him with all her strength against the wall, crying: "Now will you be quiet, you horrid frog!"'
https://www.grimmstories.com/en/grimm_fairy-tales/the_frog_king_or_iron_henry
Plot twist: This is the frog. And she tried kissing.
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Important information on the "Knight in Shining Armor Saves the Girl" trope:
This is actually pretty rare in actual folk tales - usually it is later addition when those tales were turned into literature in order to make them a better fit for bourgeois narrative tastes and preferences of gender roles.
In actual folk tales, whenever a girl marries a prince, she usually has to save _him_ first. Typically he has been cursed into an animal form, and she needs to throw him against the wall or bite his head off or things like that so that he is saved and they can Live Happily Ever After.
kissing a lot of frogs to get to a prince is the weak sauce patriarchy approved version of this? aha! i think i have learned something today
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