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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

    I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

    My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

    siwek@social.tooinconsistent.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #15

    @tante this whole thing is pretty much "tell me you don’t understand how your favourite text extruder works without telling me you don’t understand how your favourite text extruder works".

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

      I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

      My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

      pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
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      pikesley@mastodon.me.uk
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      #16

      @tante he repeatedly comes *so close* to getting it here...

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

        I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

        My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

        krnlg@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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        krnlg@mastodon.social
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        #17

        @tante
        To me it's also like, not everything has to be perfectly optimised. How you write *doesn't* have to be perfect. How you live life doesn't have to be optimised.

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        • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

          @tante he repeatedly comes *so close* to getting it here...

          graham_arden@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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          #18

          @pikesley @tante He could have shortened the whole article to "Using AI is a perversion of writing" #fuckai

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          • graham_arden@mastodon.socialG graham_arden@mastodon.social

            @pikesley @tante He could have shortened the whole article to "Using AI is a perversion of writing" #fuckai

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            #19

            @graham_arden @tante

            Not the way *he* uses it though, he knows what he's doing

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

              I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

              My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

              wall_e@ioc.exchangeW This user is from outside of this forum
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              #20

              @tante funny how they almost get the point with: "The exact words we choose when writing matter" and then immediately veer off a cliff 😄

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                nini@oldbytes.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #21

                @tante I see Gruber's hot takes remain unmoored to reality, he used to be good at this. If you are using Claude then you ain't writing, fucker.

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                • danielakay@chaos.socialD danielakay@chaos.social

                  @tymwol @tante "new problems we never needed."

                  AI's motto 😕

                  viob@eldritch.cafeV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #22

                  @danielaKay @tymwol @tante (AIG is not less crapy and unethical when it's used for spellchecking - and also it's unnecessary, it already works without it)

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                  • tymwol@hachyderm.ioT tymwol@hachyderm.io

                    @danielaKay @tante you cannot watermark spelling, so it you used it only for spelling, it's a non issue...

                    To be honest, I'd rather be worried it'd be the other way around: they watermark it by using specific words, etc, so it is a bit like people were treating em-dashes as a sign of AI usage, just now it is done on purpose. So same as before you could get accused of using AI because you used an em-dash, now it could be something else. So yeah, it would likely lead to some new problems we never needed.

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                    gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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                    #23

                    @tymwol @danielaKay @tante Was going to say this also — patterns are likely to transfer from llm to natural writing as people get exposed to the former.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                      I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                      My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                      frog_reborn@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #24

                      @tante

                      His brain is truly cooked

                      "LLMs are, in their popular incarnations, non-deterministic. Ask the same question of the same model and you often get at least slightly different answers. Maybe the same meaning, but different phrasing"

                      "One of my fundamental problems with [watermarking] is that no two synonyms carry the exact same meaning. “He leaped at the chance” and “He jumped at the opportunity” are very similar sentences expressing the same general sentiment, but they are not the same

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                      • benaveling@mastodon.auB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #25

                        A set of letters can be a valid word but not be the word you think it is. AI can catch that. And if a word is misspelled, AI can be pretty good at guessing what word you meant to type. @tymwol @Catriona @tante @danielaKay

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                          I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                          My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                          goatcheese@eldritch.cafeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          goatcheese@eldritch.cafe
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                          #26

                          @tante I too, demand only the very best Poetry-Grade Artisanal Slop for my writing 💅

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                            I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                            My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                            annika@xoxo.zoneA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #27

                            @tante "The idea that anything other than *my* needs should factor into the generation of text for *me* is patently offensive."

                            That's the most direct "I don't care about externalities" I've read in a while.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                              I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                              My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                              landa@graz.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                              landa@graz.social
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                              #28

                              @tante

                              > The idea that anything other than my needs should factor into the generation of text for me is patently offensive.

                              and here I thought he writes for his audience. 😉

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                                I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                                My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                                marauderpixie@norden.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                marauderpixie@norden.social
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                                #29

                                @tante I had to look up whether that's an actual quote and holy fuck, a professional writer unironically demanding "the very best words" is an insane level of trumpian shitheadedness even without considering we're talking about a probabilistic word generator.

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                                • tymwol@hachyderm.ioT tymwol@hachyderm.io

                                  @danielaKay @tante you cannot watermark spelling, so it you used it only for spelling, it's a non issue...

                                  To be honest, I'd rather be worried it'd be the other way around: they watermark it by using specific words, etc, so it is a bit like people were treating em-dashes as a sign of AI usage, just now it is done on purpose. So same as before you could get accused of using AI because you used an em-dash, now it could be something else. So yeah, it would likely lead to some new problems we never needed.

                                  gilgwath@social.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  gilgwath@social.tchncs.de
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                                  #30

                                  @tymwol @danielaKay @tante Sounds like the paper towns of AI. There's nothing new under the sun. Especially if everything that's "new" is just the old stuff blended together badly.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                                    I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                                    My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

                                    europlus@social.europlus.zoneE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    europlus@social.europlus.zone
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                                    #31

                                    @tante @daringfireball oh, FFS…really?

                                    I can’t, even.*

                                    *All words 100% human-selected to express exactly what I intend to express. #NoAI

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                                    • danielakay@chaos.socialD danielakay@chaos.social

                                      @tymwol @tante I am an AI sceptic, but I came across an argument that kinda makes sense: someone asked whether this watermark would also be there if he used AI for spellcheck, because if it is, there is no way to distinguish a human-written AI-spellchecked text from an AI-written text.

                                      If that's true, it'll be interesting to watch the effects this has on AI usage.

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                                      #32

                                      @danielaKay @tymwol @tante hmm, I don’t see (let alone allow) spellcheck change whole words from what I intended…or do cooked people not look at what their spellcheckers are doing these days?

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                                      • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

                                        @graham_arden @tante

                                        Not the way *he* uses it though, he knows what he's doing

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                                        #33

                                        @pikesley @graham_arden @tante that’s because he’s good at nuancing*.

                                        *A new word I learnt this week from an AI apologist right here on Madtodon

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                                          I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                                          My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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                                          benjaoming@social.data.coop
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                                          #34

                                          @tante Anthropic etc. can implement regulations as terribly as they like and people will get very angry at the EU. "Malicious compliance" comes to mind.

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