Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
The Brits take the greatest pride in their bureaucracy -- though the French, Russians, and Byzantine Greeks were tough competitors -- but the Chinese invented it.
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@dan I had my first Chinese consulate experience 10 years ago in NYC and everyone told me, "Just hire a proxy. They are professionals. You cannot do this." I decided this sounded like something I had to experience. Like you, I left in awe.
When I got my visa in 2015, the company i was working for hired a proxy. After reading this thread I am so happy they did.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan I once had a German secretary-type go to the safe, pull out a large stack of 50-Euro notes, count out my "stipend", and then take that stack of notes, count it out again, gather it up for my "fees", put it back in the safe, and have me sign a piece of paper saying (I can only presume, I don't read German) that I had witnessed this theatre
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan the Chinese consulate general in Chicago is, essentially, across the street from the former Rock and Roll McDonald's which would have added a nice level of absurdity on top that feels DeLillo esque
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan interesting contrast to when I stopped in Shanghai for the 144-hour transit visa. There was a long line and a group of 5 customs officials behind a counter, handling one applicant at a time. Every passport was closely scrutinized by every officer, discussed as a group, and much paperwork filled out. But almost no questions were asked aside from where we were staying. I hypothesized that it was a full employment mechanism for inspectors.
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@dan truly, we Americans are only babies when it comes to bureaucracy
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan Having worked in systems-forward (bureaucratized) offices myself I have a theory:
those are two separate jobs and her coworker was not available.
There are two separate windows to improve a specific functional flow. If she did both jobs at her own window things would have gotten messed up as the office space on the other side of the counter is set up to perform that kind of flow.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan Jen once needed a special cultural exchange visa to go work in a hospital in China. Getting it required _5_ trips to the consulate in New York, each time being sent away to come back with a more significant seal from the inviting institution.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan Hope she got paid twice for doing two people's jobs.
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@dan Hope she got paid twice for doing two people's jobs.
@JustinMac84 @dan
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@dan Jen once needed a special cultural exchange visa to go work in a hospital in China. Getting it required _5_ trips to the consulate in New York, each time being sent away to come back with a more significant seal from the inviting institution.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan Even California DMV would be impressed by that.
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@ricci @steve @dan my both alma mater and employer for teaching had a problem with their old diplomas and, specifically, the Chinese government. they were very avant-garde for a diploma and a lot of international students had trouble convincing their home governments that they were real. eventually they changed to a more traditional design and students could pay to have theirs re-printed.
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@ricci @steve @dan my both alma mater and employer for teaching had a problem with their old diplomas and, specifically, the Chinese government. they were very avant-garde for a diploma and a lot of international students had trouble convincing their home governments that they were real. eventually they changed to a more traditional design and students could pay to have theirs re-printed.
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Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...
...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.
I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.
@dan Related historical anecdote from Ulysses Grant's memoirs:
"As commander of the company [Braxton Bragg] made a requisition upon the quartermaster—himself—for something he wanted. As quartermaster he declined to fill the requisition, and endorsed on the back of it his reasons for so doing. As company commander he responded to this..."
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