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  3. Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024.

Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024.

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  • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

    Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

    hausfath@fediscience.orgH This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

    bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB chrisnelder@mastodon.energyC jamestwebber@mas.toJ benedikt_lauenburg@norden.socialB msbellows@c.imM 5 Replies Last reply
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    • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

      It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

      bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @hausfath from Europe the answers are uncensored it appears:

      js@mastodon.nlJ volcan01010@fosstodon.orgV jonfr600@mastodon.socialJ 3 Replies Last reply
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      • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

        Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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        #4

        @hausfath looks very similar to the shenanigans Meta and Google were doing in the lead up to the Brazilian elections last week

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        • bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB bert_hubert@eupolicy.social

          @hausfath from Europe the answers are uncensored it appears:

          js@mastodon.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @bert_hubert given proof of tampering, no output proves or even illustrates process or result integrity

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          • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

            It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

            chrisnelder@mastodon.energyC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @hausfath Five prompts later...

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            • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

              Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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              abhiyantrik@mastodon.social
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              #7

              @hausfath whenever you try publish something on AI, try re creating the exact prompt in incognito and see if you are getting same answers

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              • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

                momaku@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @hausfath When asked from Canada, or UK by VPN, Google suppresses AI result; Wikipedia page ranks first.

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                • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                  It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

                  jamestwebber@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @hausfath they got rid of the "don't be evil" thing a while ago

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                  • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                    Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                    #10

                    @hausfath
                    "Teach a man to fish..."
                    I think it's saying Okay, Doubting Thomas, go see for yourself, and then it points us to a high quality data source.

                    There's something subtle and non-evil going on here.

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                    • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                      It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

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                      #11

                      @hausfath i think the answer of Gemini to your 2020 question does make sense.

                      "If you doubt me, look up the election records"

                      The bot already gave the answer and you basically repeated the question.

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                      • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                        Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                        #12

                        @hausfath This is very funny. The AI-specific version will tell me that Biden won in 2020, but the generic search results turns off AI Overview and instead shows me articles about... Google's AI not saying who won in 2020.

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                        • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                          Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                          #13

                          @hausfath Unfortunately it is all to easy to do. In order to have any hope of monetizing these LLM systems going forward the vendors are going to need to manipulate the results to integrate “pay to elevate” schemes similar to how search got corrupted. IMO at that point AI will become useless.

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                          • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                            Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                            #14

                            @hausfath I would say this sort of political intervention into LLM responses is the point.

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                            • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                              It will happily tell you the last there presidents and when they were elected, but only breaks when you specifically ask about 2020. Come on @Google, do better.

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                              #15

                              @hausfath Works fine for me. Did they fix it once they got busted?

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                              • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                                Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                                #16

                                @hausfath I wouldn’t say it’s merely deeply problematic. I think it’s part of the whole ordeal.

                                You’re analysing the problem of technology companies without including the dimension of political and personal power.

                                You’re issuing benefit of the doubt in a situation which is the technology is already being applied for authoritarian purposes, and those purposes are shaping the technology itself. This is the actual deeply problematic issue in my opinion.

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                                • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                                  Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                                  #17

                                  @hausfath Try duck duck go

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                                  • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                                    Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                                    #18

                                    @hausfath

                                    Even Trumps GOV-AI is sure Biden won the 2020 election ...

                                    "I am America, a government information assistant operated by the General Services Administration (GSA) and built by the National Design Studio. I search official U.S. government sources and explain them with citations."

                                    Source: https://america.gov/chat

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                                    • bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB bert_hubert@eupolicy.social

                                      @hausfath from Europe the answers are uncensored it appears:

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                                      #19

                                      @bert_hubert @hausfath

                                      I reproduced Google AI Mode's non-answering of who won the 2020 presidential election from the UK by using Firefox's built-in VPN to give a US location.

                                      Google Maps shows Gulf of Mexico as Gulf of America, too.

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                                      • momaku@mastodon.socialM momaku@mastodon.social

                                        @hausfath When asked from Canada, or UK by VPN, Google suppresses AI result; Wikipedia page ranks first.

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                                        #20

                                        @momaku @hausfath it suppresses the "AI Overview", however "AI Mode" from the toolbar, what is shown here, actually does answer for users outside of the US

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                                        • hausfath@fediscience.orgH hausfath@fediscience.org

                                          Google has specifically prevented its AI tool from telling users who won the 2020 presidential election, even though it happily tells us that Trump won in 2016 and 2024. This sort of political intervention into LLM responses is deeply problematic. (h/t to Charles Mann)

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                                          #21

                                          @hausfath I wonder if this is geographically influenced. I have a Norwegian IP address, and got this as the first response.

                                          That said, I don't use Google services at all - so I should not have too much clear traces in their tracking machinery.

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