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  3. Blocking someone should remove their replies from your posts, this is the type of safety features we need in the Fediverse!

Blocking someone should remove their replies from your posts, this is the type of safety features we need in the Fediverse!

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  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

    @crse @dansup That's what muting is for. Blocking is to prevent them from contacting or driving contact to you from their audiences. For that purpose, you want old things severed too.

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    #88

    @dalias @dansup Muting still let the intended user see my post.

    I want totally invisible from them.
    But other their follower should be able to see older quoted post.

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    • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

      @tnhd @rimu @dansup It already does.

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      #89

      @kelson
      I disagree. Any given position in a comment tree currently is a perspective of the same tree (only posts that are neither a reply nor are a parent (both recursive) aren't displayed). If comments are hidden depending on the position, that would not just make for different perspectives of the same tree, but for different parallel ones.
      @rimu @dansup

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      • tnhd@mastodon.socialT tnhd@mastodon.social

        @kelson
        I disagree. Any given position in a comment tree currently is a perspective of the same tree (only posts that are neither a reply nor are a parent (both recursive) aren't displayed). If comments are hidden depending on the position, that would not just make for different perspectives of the same tree, but for different parallel ones.
        @rimu @dansup

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        #90

        @kelson
        As people usually look down from root, I think removing comments from that version of the tree (just because OP doesn't like them) would be much the same as force-delete.
        @rimu @dansup

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        • raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.placeR raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @foxyoreos @Schafstelze @dansup the only way to federate it to other servers would be via publicly posting the ban, even if your full list isn't visible any server you've federated to would effectively have it, so it would be easy to scrape. I fully disagree, you don't own the fediverse, you don't own the thread you only started it, you can split and block further replies but you cannot kill a conversation down the chain from the one you started, it doesn't even need to necessarily involve you.

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          #91

          @raptor85 @foxyoreos @Schafstelze @dansup You don't have to be able to kill the whole conversation further down, but you should at least be able to stop your post from pointing to the next one down the line.

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          • tnhd@mastodon.socialT tnhd@mastodon.social

            @kelson
            I disagree. Any given position in a comment tree currently is a perspective of the same tree (only posts that are neither a reply nor are a parent (both recursive) aren't displayed). If comments are hidden depending on the position, that would not just make for different perspectives of the same tree, but for different parallel ones.
            @rimu @dansup

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            #92

            @tnhd @rimu @dansup Have you never looked at a multi server comment thread from accounts on different servers?

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            • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

              @raptor85 @foxyoreos @Schafstelze @dansup You don't have to be able to kill the whole conversation further down, but you should at least be able to stop your post from pointing to the next one down the line.

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              #93

              @kelson @raptor85 @Schafstelze @dansup Exactly. A lot of Mastodon/ActivityPub controls are like this. They're a little fuzzy, there are edge cases, but they mostly work. Just severing a link is fine.

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              • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

                @tnhd @rimu @dansup Have you never looked at a multi server comment thread from accounts on different servers?

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                #94

                @kelson Proof by intimidation? Just state your point, please. @rimu @dansup

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                • tnhd@mastodon.socialT tnhd@mastodon.social

                  @kelson Proof by intimidation? Just state your point, please. @rimu @dansup

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                  #95

                  @tnhd @rimu @dansup My point is that threads are already fragmented depending on where you look at them from.

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                  • tnhd@mastodon.socialT tnhd@mastodon.social

                    @kelson
                    As people usually look down from root, I think removing comments from that version of the tree (just because OP doesn't like them) would be much the same as force-delete.
                    @rimu @dansup

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                    #96

                    @tnhd @rimu @dansup In my opinion, the benefit of enabling the average user to reject and stop pointing to outright abusive replies outweighs the drawback of enabling thin-skinned users to reject replies they merely don't like.

                    In the second case, at least the post still exists somewhere. And in the first, I'm not going to lose any sleep over whether detaching an actually abusive comment might as well be deleting it.

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                    • dnkrupinski@hannover.townD dnkrupinski@hannover.town

                      @gbargoud @alterelefant @dansup

                      The best way to handle this is:

                      * block account
                      * delete your post and repost it as a new post
                      * all references to the old post have gone

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                      #97

                      @dnkrupinski @gbargoud @alterelefant @dansup IMO you shouldn't have to delete and rewrite your post in order to accomplish this.

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                      • raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.placeR raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @foxyoreos @Schafstelze @dansup the only way to federate it to other servers would be via publicly posting the ban, even if your full list isn't visible any server you've federated to would effectively have it, so it would be easy to scrape. I fully disagree, you don't own the fediverse, you don't own the thread you only started it, you can split and block further replies but you cannot kill a conversation down the chain from the one you started, it doesn't even need to necessarily involve you.

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                        #98

                        @raptor85 @foxyoreos @Schafstelze @dansup Right, you don't own the whole Fediverse.  That also means you don't own the post you're replying to, and you shouldn't be able to dictate whether it continues to provide your post a platform.

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                        • dansup@mastodon.socialD dansup@mastodon.social

                          Blocking someone should remove their replies from your posts, this is the type of safety features we need in the Fediverse!

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                          #99

                          @dansup Is'nt that the norm ?

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