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I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web….

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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    #13

    @nixCraft I don't think the same fate will strike Wikipedia. For one thing, people didn't generally form any fondness (or, if anything, did feel offended or unjust) with SO, so when people heard of an alternative tech, they might have thought "Screw that. I'm jumping ship" without thinking too deeply about topics like free internet. On the other hand, (I think) people generally see Wikipedia very favorably and easily associate it with free internet

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    • freevolt24@mastodon.socialF freevolt24@mastodon.social

      @nixCraft I don't think the same fate will strike Wikipedia. For one thing, people didn't generally form any fondness (or, if anything, did feel offended or unjust) with SO, so when people heard of an alternative tech, they might have thought "Screw that. I'm jumping ship" without thinking too deeply about topics like free internet. On the other hand, (I think) people generally see Wikipedia very favorably and easily associate it with free internet

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      #14

      @nixCraft so much so that, if it closes down, it'll be perceived as a real threat to internet collapse. I think that's one big reason why people think they should "protect" it, but not exactly SO. (And SO being a proprietary company is another big reason why the cases may not be the same.)

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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        #15

        @nixCraft Even Google Maps seems to become increasingly unreliable.

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          #16

          @brendan @nixCraft

          I can favourite this only once, but please feel it at least 10 times stronger.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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            goedelchen@mastodontech.de
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            #17

            @nixCraft Not exactly to your point. I'm just wonderening: Wouldn't the numbers before ChatGPT be exactly what to expect from a knowledgebase platform? As soon as there is a solid stock of answered question, the need to ask new questions diminishes.

            I created my account 12 years ago and asked exactly one question, but found many others already answered.

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            • rusty@piaille.frR rusty@piaille.fr

              @nixCraft I don't agree with that narrative. ChatGPT didn't kill Stackoverflow : managers of SO did.

              After ChatGPT launched, SO team decided that from now on, every question and answer on the site were going to be used to train a local LLM model. Everybody was angry at this, and everybody left. Including me.

              I posted questions and answers on SO for more than ten years. After that decision from the team, I just logged out for the first time in years and never came back.

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              #18

              @rusty @nixCraft LLMs have scrapped everything anyways.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                #19

                @nixCraft cant wait for that stinky bubble to crash

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                  thefeditest@mastodon.social
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                  #20

                  @nixCraft

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                  • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                    @rusty @nixCraft LLMs have scrapped everything anyways.

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                    #21

                    @f4grx @nixCraft They scrapped the content, but the community has been destroyed from within.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                      #22

                      @nixCraft The day they allowed ai to train on answers marked the end for me. When I tried to delete my posts which were then restored and I was threatened to be blocked the internet as it was died for me. Not going to share my stuff online on any platform anymore unless I have some control over it.

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                      • H harrier17@mastodon.social

                        @nixCraft i think most people don't read Wikipedia even before GPTs. The site is mostly visited by people who care more about true facts than quick facts. And Wikipedia is the place for true facts. Without it, the Internet will be dead.

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                        #23

                        @harrier17 @nixCraft Wikipedia is an important source of information and the quality has improved over the years. Yes it's great for *many* things, like #technology and #popculture, but I still run into pages that are amateurish and poorly written, often to the point where #ChatGPT could do a better job.

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                        • brynawel@mastodon.socialB brynawel@mastodon.social

                          @brendan @nixCraft

                          I can favourite this only once, but please feel it at least 10 times stronger.

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                          #24

                          @Brynawel @brendan @nixCraft this!

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                          • bazkie@beige.partyB bazkie@beige.party

                            @nixCraft seconded, very worried about wikipedia. for me that's the most important site on the internet

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                            @bazkie @nixCraft
                            Wikipedia offers free copies of all available content! Yes, you can legally download the entire Wikipedia in your language for offline usage here:

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

                            Feed this to your local running LLM or use other free tools to make it conveniently usable.

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                            • rusty@piaille.frR rusty@piaille.fr

                              @f4grx @nixCraft They scrapped the content, but the community has been destroyed from within.

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                              #26

                              @rusty @nixCraft that is true.

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                                #27

                                @brendan @nixCraft

                                Your post was closed as a duplicate

                                You go to the duplicate only to find a 5 year old post with one matching key word which was never answered

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                  #28

                                  @nixCraft I hated asking questions on SO. Every time I asked a question along the lines "How do I do X in Y without Z?" a bunch of smartarses would pile on saying "You should really do Z or Q instead".

                                  I'll be happy to see it go. The brigading trolls can go moderate reddit or some other shithole.

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                                  • T tjunker@mastodon.social

                                    @bazkie @nixCraft
                                    Wikipedia offers free copies of all available content! Yes, you can legally download the entire Wikipedia in your language for offline usage here:

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

                                    Feed this to your local running LLM or use other free tools to make it conveniently usable.

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                                    #29

                                    @tjunker @bazkie @nixCraft as long as you share alike, provide attribution and don't add anymore restrictions on the information then this is correct

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                                    • elricofmelnibone@mastodon.socialE elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social

                                      @nixCraft I hated asking questions on SO. Every time I asked a question along the lines "How do I do X in Y without Z?" a bunch of smartarses would pile on saying "You should really do Z or Q instead".

                                      I'll be happy to see it go. The brigading trolls can go moderate reddit or some other shithole.

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                                      #30

                                      @elricofmelnibone @nixCraft

                                      Plus the block wardens downvoting within seconds of using wrong vocabulary which may remotely be interpreted as "off topic". And downvoted questions are mostly dead.

                                      But this developed over the years.

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                                      • brynawel@mastodon.socialB brynawel@mastodon.social

                                        @brendan @nixCraft

                                        I can favourite this only once, but please feel it at least 10 times stronger.

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                                        #31

                                        @Brynawel @brendan @nixCraft Amen and then some!

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                          #32

                                          @nixCraft The Wayback machine is also under threat: https://blog.archive.org/2026/06/01/keep-the-news-in-the-wayback-machine/

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