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  • nomdeb@mstdn.socialN nomdeb@mstdn.social

    @VeeRat science backs you up. And even more so if you hand write things.

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    #15

    @VeeRat PS. I did a stint where the client culture was all to make notes quickly on their laptops. They NEVER remembered anything of it or even referred to them that I could see - because too many meetings seemed to hash over the same points over and over and over again. So that also.

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    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

      Sigh.

      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

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      #16

      @VeeRat
      alias copilot_cli=cat

      "Oh yes it works wonders"

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      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

        Sigh.

        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

        brhfl@digipres.clubB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @VeeRat all else aside, ‘you should stop doing this thing i’ve observed you being good at’ seems like a rather backward approach!

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        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

          Sigh.

          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

          katet@mastodon.nzK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #18

          @VeeRat answers not understanding is abdicating learning. In other words, cognitive surrender. Sigh.

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          • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

            @VeeRat So true. Often I'll write the notes and then never look at them again. The act of creating them is the point.

            lfzz@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #19

            @tartley @VeeRat ^__ this. Writing the notes by hand forced my brain to funnel concept/content , filter the noise, focus, writing is thinking.

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            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

              Sigh.

              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

              lopta@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #20

              @VeeRat People are nearly as stupid as LLMs.

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              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                Sigh.

                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                rainbowtastetester@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #21

                @VeeRat it’s all about “increasing productivity” and justifying spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on AI. If they can’t get employees to adopt it becomes a useless expense. I’ve been pushed to use AI for basically every aspect of my job. Writing emails, taking notes, sending messages, writing articles, etc.

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                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                  Sigh.

                  New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                  Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                  New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                  Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                  New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                  Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                  mikemccaffrey@drupal.communityM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #22

                  @VeeRat @YakyuNightOwl A significant benefit of AI tools for many people is specifically so they don't need to learn things themselves. That is probably why it is big with CEOs and other executives.

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                  • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                    Sigh.

                    New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                    Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                    New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                    Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                    New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                    Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                    jmmaok@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #23

                    @VeeRat

                    Speculation: boss finds it difficult to take good notes and thus sees CoPilot’s notes as an improvement.

                    You keep doing what you’re doing, which probably runs circles around the both of them.

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                    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                      Sigh.

                      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                      terrybtwo@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #24

                      @VeeRat Suggests said AI-Boss is a bit lacking in natural-I.

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                      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                        Sigh.

                        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                        d1@autistics.lifeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #25

                        @VeeRat I totally agree

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                        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                          Sigh.

                          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                          vatvslpr@c.imV This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #26

                          @VeeRat
                          This is fanboyism at its purest: everyone has to like the stuff they like as much as they do, or it calls their judgement into question. The core is a deep insecurity that must be assuaged by external validation.

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                          • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                            Sigh.

                            New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                            Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                            New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                            Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                            New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                            Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                            beaiouns@is.nota.liveB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #27

                            @VeeRat Holy shit I just realized this this morning, typing up a string of discord posts into a static web page. I had to pay attention to it to get it to look right, which made me realize I was reading it more than I had originally. Crazy how nature do that

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                            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                              Sigh.

                              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                              will@www.librepunk.clubW This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #28

                              @VeeRat me too. It's the act of taking notes that helps me be engaged and remember things. The noted themselves I only really use if I need to prove a point or clarify a decision that nobody remembers six months later. This is not something that AI can solve for me.

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                              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                Sigh.

                                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                mwyman@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #29

                                @VeeRat @drahardja I’m not sure where it’s from, but there’s an incredible quote “I’m not writing it down to remember tomorrow, I’m writing it down to remember it now!” and I think about this a lot with discussions about notes and summaries and LLMs.

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                                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                  Sigh.

                                  New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                  Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                  New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                  Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                  New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                  Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                  eibart@zirk.usE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #30

                                  @VeeRat
                                  the purpose is not to benefit you, but to benefit your exploiter and microsoft

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                                  • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                    Sigh.

                                    New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                    Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                    New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                    Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                    New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                    Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                    dpnash@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #31

                                    @VeeRat > Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER.

                                    Once written, twice learned.

                                    Writing code, for example. It's slower than asking the pasteurized process code product generator to do it. But the code slopperizer only gives you code. Writing it yourself gives you, and any organization you work for, both code and understanding.

                                    And I don't just mean the detailed step-by-step "this is what the code does to address some specific need" sort of understanding, though that's also true. It's also an understanding of how you got there, what tradeoffs you made (and so what you might need to address in a few weeks or months), how other people have approached a related problem, or a bit of code your code interacts with in some way, and thus how you need to handle this particular case (it'll be different for different people), and so many other kinds of learning and understanding that can't just be pulled from the code slopperizer.

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                                    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                      Sigh.

                                      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                      moutmout@framapiaf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #32

                                      @VeeRat Handwriting is hard for me. And I can't remember the things I just wrote down (unless I read them multiple times afterwards). I also can't listen to what someone is saying and create usable notes at the same time. My note-taking strategy usually involves either getting someone else to share their notes with me, or sitting down alone afterwards to write down everything I remember.

                                      I still would not use CoPilot for note-taking because I like my notes to be accurate and on-topic!

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                                      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                        Sigh.

                                        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                        zakalwe@plasmatrap.comZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #33

                                        @VeeRat@zeroes.ca The LLM tells them they're geniuses.

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                                        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                          Sigh.

                                          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                          401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #34

                                          @VeeRat

                                          They _literally_ don't understand what you mean. I'm the same as you in this respect. The _act_ of writing is valuable. Not the artifact writing produces but the _act_. It's valuable to me personally and I'm not going to stop just because somebody has an AI/LLM/RNG-machine buzz.

                                          ❤

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