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🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt.

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  • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

    🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

    https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

    #DemocracyFail

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    #11

    @echo_pbreyer Zie hierboven. Chat Control is (weer) terug.

    @bert_hubert@mastodon.nl @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social @xot @Frederik_Borgesius

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    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

      🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

      https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

      #DemocracyFail

      karmalakas@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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      #12

      @echo_pbreyer wait... Why TF vote at all? 🤦‍♂️

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      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

        🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

        https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

        #DemocracyFail

        smallcircles@social.coopS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #13

        @echo_pbreyer

        > “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy. Our children are the real losers in this undemocratic process. The passage of a genuine, permanent child protection regulation is now in serious jeopardy. The Council will never agree to a desperately needed paradigm shift as long as they can simply stick to the old approach of suspicionless scanning at the whim of the tech industry.”

        So true. I am very pro-EU. Except these shenanigans make me get underbelly feelings of "FUCK EU, let it all go to shite then" (to say it diplomatically). Well.. take a deep breath. On to fighting off #ChatControl 2.0.

        But also: Who are these freaking lobbyists that keep pushing this shebang against the wishes of the people, at all cost? More naming and shaming, please.

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        • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

          🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
          https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
          #Demokratiefail

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          npub1mwkpvd2snl2tlxtmtgvrj2vr5mwf2nmuynua4a0jmzgtkvwt93rq8pd09j@momostr.pink
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          #14
          Burn it all down.
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          • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

            🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

            https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

            #DemocracyFail

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            #15

            @echo_pbreyer Are the next steps through the courts?

            If the Data Retention Directive (Directive 2006/24/EC) couldn't survive _Digital Rights Ireland and Others_ (C‑293/12 and C‑594/12), surely this is in many ways many times worse?

            #ChatControl #Surveillance #CJEU

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            • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

              🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
              https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
              #Demokratiefail

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              #16

              @echo_pbreyer Immerhin bleibt es dabei, dass verschlüsselte Messages nicht gescannt werden. Unverschlüsselte sind ohnehin zu unsicher.

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              • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
                https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
                #Demokratiefail

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                #17

                @echo_pbreyer
                Wieso geht das trotz "Nein"??? Kann mir das jemand erklären?

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                • cytro@mastodon.deC cytro@mastodon.de

                  @echo_pbreyer
                  Wieso geht das trotz "Nein"??? Kann mir das jemand erklären?

                  echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #18

                  @cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post

                  sirjofri@pleroma.envs.netS cytro@mastodon.deC 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

                    @echo_pbreyer Are the next steps through the courts?

                    If the Data Retention Directive (Directive 2006/24/EC) couldn't survive _Digital Rights Ireland and Others_ (C‑293/12 and C‑594/12), surely this is in many ways many times worse?

                    #ChatControl #Surveillance #CJEU

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                    #19

                    @clickhere A lawsuit is pending, but it takes ages

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                    • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                      @echo_pbreyer

                      > “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy. Our children are the real losers in this undemocratic process. The passage of a genuine, permanent child protection regulation is now in serious jeopardy. The Council will never agree to a desperately needed paradigm shift as long as they can simply stick to the old approach of suspicionless scanning at the whim of the tech industry.”

                      So true. I am very pro-EU. Except these shenanigans make me get underbelly feelings of "FUCK EU, let it all go to shite then" (to say it diplomatically). Well.. take a deep breath. On to fighting off #ChatControl 2.0.

                      But also: Who are these freaking lobbyists that keep pushing this shebang against the wishes of the people, at all cost? More naming and shaming, please.

                      nikthechampiongr@ohai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #20

                      @smallcircles @echo_pbreyer Yea this sucks, the eu is often does wonderful things but it is also deeply flawed as seen here. The only fix for it is treaty reforms and unfortunately it is unlikely that member states will agree on such reforms any time soon...

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                      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                        🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

                        https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                        #DemocracyFail

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                        #21

                        @echo_pbreyer What kind of fictional democracy is the European Parliament if the majority vote against it means nothing!? 😳😳

                        davidculley@hachyderm.ioD nikthechampiongr@ohai.socialN 2 Replies Last reply
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                        • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                          @cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post

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                          #22
                          @echo_pbreyer
                          Richtig cool. Absolute Mehrheit fordern, obwohl viele gar nicht da sind...
                          @cytro
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                          • andrewblasco@masto.esA andrewblasco@masto.es

                            @echo_pbreyer What kind of fictional democracy is the European Parliament if the majority vote against it means nothing!? 😳😳

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                            #23

                            @andrewblasco https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116832760661859083

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                            • davidculley@hachyderm.ioD davidculley@hachyderm.io

                              @andrewblasco https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116832760661859083

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                              #24

                              @davidculley So they can simply override EU parliament vote? 😅

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                              • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                                🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
                                https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
                                #Demokratiefail

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                                #25

                                @echo_pbreyer

                                sorry.. ich verstehe die Fragestellung nciht
                                https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195788

                                "Temporary derogation from certain provisions of the ePrivacy Directive to combat online child sexual abuse"

                                ist "ja" ein "JA" zur Kontrolle ?

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                                • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                                  🇪🇸 🇪🇺 El Parlamento Europeo deja pasar el #ChatControl 1.0 pese a que una mayoría votó en contra (314:276), permitiendo el escaneo masivo de chats privados hasta 2028. Las víctimas advierten de sus riesgos. Mi análisis 👇

                                  https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                                  #FracasoDemocrático

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                                  #26

                                  @echo_pbreyer

                                  Tolles EU-Parlament, das ja angeblich so demokratisch ist.

                                  Aber in anderen Ländern hoch einen auf Moralisch machen.

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                                  • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                                    @clickhere A lawsuit is pending, but it takes ages

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                                    #27

                                    @echo_pbreyer Thank you. Yes, it's completely frustrating.

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                                    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                                      🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
                                      https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
                                      #Demokratiefail

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                                      #28

                                      @echo_pbreyer
                                      Da sieht man, wie wichtig EU Abgeordnete Abstimmungen nehmen.
                                      Relative Mehrheit reicht nicht.

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                                      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                                        🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

                                        https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                                        #DemocracyFail

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                                        #29

                                        @echo_pbreyer Tried my best by emailing and calling my MEPs. Of course most of them ignored me or they weren't in office.

                                        It's frustrating.

                                        Thanks for being on the right side of this s**t.

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                                        • hatetsu@mastodon.com.plH hatetsu@mastodon.com.pl

                                          @bjorn @echo_pbreyer An absolute majority of all MEPs incl. absentees was required to vote down the proposal, I think that was the point of the procedural tricks deployed this week?

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                                          #30

                                          @HaTetsu @bjorn @echo_pbreyer what I didnt get is: if theres no absolute NO-Majority, then there is also no absolute YES-Majority...

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