A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear I kind of get the analogy, but it breaks down in a few of places.
First off, a lot of professional communicators, who really care about the arson ring, keep calling it fire. The least we can do is stop calling it fire and start calling it an arson ring. We're not going to get a public backlash against fire, but we can get one against the arson ring.
Secondly, this isn't as clear-cut as an arson ring, and I'm honestly not sure what harm mitigation we are supposed to put in place today.
Facebook pirated a bunch of books to train their model. That was wrong, I agree. The American court system agreed. I don't believe that AI generated material qualifies for copyright. The American court system agrees. Screen Actors Guild negotiated all kinds of anti-ai measures.
I would like to help stop the arson and mitigate the harms. But I'm honestly not sure what's next?
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@ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear That not all "AI" is LLM and not all non-LLM "AI" is evil. Many people here get that, but there are plenty who don't.
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
Oh come on, when people shit on AI they are not coming for camera autofocus.
This is a moral issue, directly linked to active genocide, and most AI true believers publicly hope for human extinction.
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@jmax
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear Call wasting critical resources anything you want, as long as you hold the worst offenders accountable.
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
@UkeleleEric @ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear It used to be useful as a catch-all term for a loose collection of academic research on "things it's hard to program a computer to do". No more.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear hey you know John is on Mastodon, scalzi at Mastodon.Social
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@thirstybear hey you know John is on Mastodon, scalzi at Mastodon.Social
@julianlawson I didn’t! Thanks.
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@DelilahTech @dneary Another vote for Kaiju Preservation Society here. I’m new to the author so playing catchup, but everyone mentions the Old Man’s War series.
@thirstybear
It's a good series, I just find his standalones more entertaining
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Don't refer to any of them as AI, just because they're lying doesn't mean you have to lie too.
@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
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@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Plausible Whatever Generators@LeBonk @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
I just call them LLMs. AI is a field of research. LLMs are a spin-off, but they're not AI in the science fiction sense anymore than a Fisher Space Pen is a rocket just because it's a spin-off of the space industry.
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@LeBonk @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
I just call them LLMs. AI is a field of research. LLMs are a spin-off, but they're not AI in the science fiction sense anymore than a Fisher Space Pen is a rocket just because it's a spin-off of the space industry.
@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
yeah but this also includes image generators and things that maybe can't be accurately described as dealing with "language" in its output
Kate Crawford's term "large-scale computing" is also good as a reminder that these things are really just the same sort of thing we've had for a while, but bigger, more resource-intensive, and more exploitative -
@yugthebug @thirstybear No. There are no commercial services that use anything except LLMs. The techbros really belive it's a universal solution.
In the modern world, AI == LLM.@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear Weather Prediction? Valve Anti Cheat (since at least 2019)?
They're out there, they're just not screaming it into the void.
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@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear Weather Prediction? Valve Anti Cheat (since at least 2019)?
They're out there, they're just not screaming it into the void.
@krutonium @yugthebug @thirstybear "Not all AI!"
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear I take exception to comparing AI companies to an arson ring burning down you house.
It's more like a criminal ring that breaks into your house, steals all your stuff, then burns your house down... Later, you find all your stuff being sold on Ebay.
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@krutonium @yugthebug @thirstybear "Not all AI!"
@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear I was only refuting the claim about no commercial services using non LLM AI.
Everything else that was said is true
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@thirstybear - and this assunes there is, in fact, legitimate uses for AI, which very muchremains to be proven...
@jwcph @thirstybear I think that depends on if it means “machine learning as a field” or “specifically LLMs and diffusion models”
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear That is a pretty apt comparison. "AI" is a broad term, so it feels like 90% of the time saying "AI" has it's uses is being disingenuous.
Machine Learning which no one AFAIK complained about DOES have it's uses for some things. GenAI is what people are complaining about. That's why it's always best not to use "AI" unless you are trying to talk in general about all types of AI.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear Thank you!
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear The one that pisses me off is "organic", but I accept that that one's lost.
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear Well actually... *scnr* in computer games I shot AI – for the past two to three decades. It's fun. And in recent games, e.g. Arc Raiders, AI behavior is actually machine learnt. Even funnier to outsmart that...
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear The one that pisses me off is "organic", but I accept that that one's lost.
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear
Organic, chemical free. I guess it's some kind of crystallized energy.
