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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • lioh@social.anoxinon.deL lioh@social.anoxinon.de

    @grote so is not so bad in the end.

    razemix@mamutovo.czR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #175

    @Lioh @grote Well, the 24-hour wait basically means that for a whole day, you're banned from using the device that you own however you like. What's stopping them from extending it to a week? Or a month?

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day
      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
      * confirm that you accept the risks
      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #176

      @grote SailfishOS is waiting for these people.

      Made by ex-Nokia employees and a viable daily driver since 2013.

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      • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

        @kevinrns @grote to what?

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        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #177

        @utf_7 @grote

        Credit union browser access europe.

        Start making enquiries now and let them know it might be a revolition for memberships?

        https://help.bcu.org/s/article/Accessing-BCU-Mobile-Banking-App-in-the-EU

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        • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

          @Lioh @grote Well, the 24-hour wait basically means that for a whole day, you're banned from using the device that you own however you like. What's stopping them from extending it to a week? Or a month?

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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #178

          @Razemix sorry, I have waited three month to unlock my Xiaomi. 24hrs is a blessing! @grote

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          • burnitdown@beige.partyB burnitdown@beige.party

            @grote

            "scammers often pressure victims into disabling security measures"

            gee Google, i wonder where they might find malware that would bypass those "security measures" without any pressure at all??? oh well not fucking important i guess.

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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #179

            @burnitdown @grote

            Where indeed 🤔

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            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

              * enable developer options
              * confirm that you are not tricked
              * restart phone and re-authenticate
              * wait one day
              * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
              * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
              * confirm that you accept the risks
              * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

              maxxcan@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #180

              @grote is it necessary a dragon blood and sirens tears?

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day
                * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                * confirm that you accept the risks
                * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #181

                @grote What if I don't ever connect my Android phone to a Google account in the first place?

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day
                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                  millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #182

                  @grote or alternatively:

                  • sidestep this whole mess and install APKs through adb install

                  if they want to call installing apps sideloading, then we'll do sideloading for real.

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                  • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                    @grote or alternatively:

                    • sidestep this whole mess and install APKs through adb install

                    if they want to call installing apps sideloading, then we'll do sideloading for real.

                    grote@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #183

                    @millihertz for all apps you will ever want from F-Droid? And their updates?

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      @millihertz for all apps you will ever want from F-Droid? And their updates?

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                      #184

                      @grote yeah, if that's what it takes

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                      • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                        @grote yeah, if that's what it takes

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                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #185

                        @grote i'm guessing it'll take the F-Droid website about two seconds to figure out how to have Chrome automate the process

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                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                          * enable developer options
                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                          * wait one day
                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                          heislertecreator2049@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #186

                          @grote just wait until they download and inspect, validate, do a security check on, and....

                          run a jar?

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                          • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                            @grote i'm guessing it'll take the F-Droid website about two seconds to figure out how to have Chrome automate the process

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                            #187

                            @grote it sucks, but fuck google

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                            • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #188

                              @argv_minus_one Are you talking benchmarks or specific usages? In benchmarks they'll probably always look to come out ahead because they have a LOT of accelerators. Real life usage is much much trickier and really depends on what you're doing. For example, ARM may have some advantages in, say, encoding if the encoder can take advantage of all those accelerators and if it's allowed to still use lots of watts (just less than the desktop presumably) with good heat dissipation.

                              But in something where accelerators start being tricky to use like, say, emulation or a game, ARM starts falling behind. Often way behind.

                              The thing about x86/64 is it's very good at general usage.

                              (I got curious and looked up a benchmark btw. The latest M5 seems to barely claim better SC benches than my CPU)

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                              • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                                @grote it sucks, but fuck google

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                                #189

                                @grote (sorry, did you think i was coming at this from an "i can see what google is trying to do here" angle?

                                .....nnnnnnnnope

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                  * enable developer options
                                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                  * wait one day
                                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #190

                                  @grote
                                  This was already hard enough before for most users. The best route will be staying off Google services with a custom rom.

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                                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                    * enable developer options
                                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                    * wait one day
                                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                                    chand_v_post@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #191

                                    @grote Wow that is so hard.
                                    I can feel the issue of avoiding people being tricked but with them I have some doubts.
                                    Also why do I need to use biometrics?

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                                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                      * enable developer options
                                      * confirm that you are not tricked
                                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                      * wait one day
                                      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                      * confirm that you accept the risks
                                      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                      #192

                                      @grote According to the image, you can use a PIN instead of biometrics. Nearly gave me a heart attack when I read "confirm with biometrics" in the text.

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                                      • valpackett@social.treehouse.systemsV valpackett@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @old_angry_queer @terminaltilt @grote the screenshot literally says "or device PIN"

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                                        #193

                                        @valpackett @old_angry_queer @grote

                                        You're right. I totally missed that.

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                                        • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

                                          @FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

                                          It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

                                          I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

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                                          #194

                                          @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Unfortunately, you cannot do complete backups of android devices if you are not rooted. You may have a phone in use currently, which you didn't have the foresight to bootloader unlock and root when you initially got it, and thus installing any custom ROM is not very interesting as you would loose a large part of your data. The part of the data that you would lose is unknown as app/phone backups are opaque, and might also result in losing access to some messaging applications if not done carefully. In the best case, you would have a second phone from which to transfer data from, as a reference (and for messaging apps that can transfer accounts between devices).
                                          At least, that's how I see it. The process itself is easy, but the steps before and after are much more scary.

                                          In all, I do agree with your initial premise that LineageOS and other custom ROMs will become more popular for those that have android headsets that have unlockable bootloaders and have the initial knowhow.
                                          We do seriously need more alternatives to Android and iOS, such as postmarketOS, as the current state of things is getting very dire. Unfortunately, the hardware itself is not very standardised and manufacturers want to keep control to squeeze a few more cents from each device…

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