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  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

    Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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    #7

    @david_chisnall This has made something click in my head, it's always about the spam isn't it? Like, everyone stopped answering their landline because of it, then email spam became a solved problem so then we got social media spam instead which drove people away from social media. So now we've got content spam that didn't even get written by anyone.

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    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

      Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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      #8

      @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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      • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

        @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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        #9

        @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.

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        • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

          @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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          #10

          @toldtheworld @david_chisnall the visually-impaired people we've seen around here say that the slop descriptions are worse than nothing. all of this cheerleading about "good for people with disabilities" appears to come from tech weenies doing white-saviorism.

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          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

            Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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            #11

            @david_chisnall all we need now is someone to use an LLM to answer spam calls...

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            • individeweal@mas.toI individeweal@mas.to

              @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.

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              #12

              @individeweal @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I couldn't quickly find it, but in last half week or so I saw about someone with specific accessibility needs around mobility having an LLM create a tool working how they needed it to, IIRC for navigating on computer.

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              • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

                @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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                #13

                @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I do, as I've been asked to look into the slop machines at work -- and yes, I objected. But there's a use-case I've not seen mentioned and that's using the embeddings models to do semantic search.

                SS isn't new, but doing it now is a matter of installing ollama, and postgres with pgvector, and getting on with it.

                It doesn't solve the ethical issues, but it genuinely does work *if* you're willing to overlook that.

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                • stuartb@social.teamb.spaceS stuartb@social.teamb.space

                  @david_chisnall all we need now is someone to use an LLM to answer spam calls...

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                  #14

                  @stuartb @david_chisnall wasn't there someone using them to waste the time of scammers?

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                  • atax1a@infosec.exchangeA atax1a@infosec.exchange

                    @toldtheworld @david_chisnall the visually-impaired people we've seen around here say that the slop descriptions are worse than nothing. all of this cheerleading about "good for people with disabilities" appears to come from tech weenies doing white-saviorism.

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                    #15

                    @atax1a @david_chisnall I heard it from a blind person at a disability awareness center (Dialog im Dunkel)

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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                      #16

                      @david_chisnall @me_ “This thing where 90% of it shouldn’t be happening anyway? We can let you do so much more of it! Oh, but only the bad 90%.”

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                      • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

                        @atax1a @david_chisnall I heard it from a blind person at a disability awareness center (Dialog im Dunkel)

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                        #17

                        @toldtheworld @david_chisnall ok, so you have one anecdote of one person getting one use out of it, whereas the rest of the world is drowning in slop.

                        i don't think this tech has any legitimate uses.

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                        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                          Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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                          #18

                          @david_chisnall Ai making cold calls? I call it frozen calls. Never in a lifetime the get warm enough to be considered. Use of AI disqualifies them from the get go.

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                          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                            Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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                            #19

                            @david_chisnall

                            Oh just wait. In no time at all boomers will be getting calls from ai-tom hanks and will all be up posting on FB abt how "Tom Hanks" *personally* is helping them do a reverse mortgage or some shit... 🙄

                            Never underestimate the gullibility of the herd.

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                            • miblo@mas.toM miblo@mas.to

                              @the_wub @david_chisnall Oh gosh, yeah! All the kind of activities a society'd go for if it only recognises one kind of value: monetary.

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                              #20

                              @miblo @the_wub @david_chisnall

                              "Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.” -- Oscar Wilde, *The Picture of Dorian Gray*

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                              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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                                #21

                                @david_chisnall #Enshitification defined: Destroy the environment and run up everyone's utility bills so we can receive more spam.

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