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  3. As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

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  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

    @bagder

    Unpaid work is a big thing in too many industries

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/31/us/elon-musk-company-unpaid-liens-invs

    https://medium.com/@carmitage/elon-musk-keeps-refusing-to-pay-his-bills-in-california-that-is-felony-theft-by-false-pretenses-130ad6f46d84

    https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2026/07/31/spacexai-liens-construction-colossus-darana.html

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210507-why-we-glorify-the-cult-of-burnout-and-overwork

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/15/china-tech-employees-push-back-against-long-hours-996-alibaba-huawei

    Unpaid content
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/449690-talk-show-host-david-pakman-analyzes-youtube-demonetization/

    Unpaid content moderation
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/dec/30/reddit-moderator-protest-communities-social-media

    Unpaid overtime
    https://medium.com/career-programming/why-swes-must-work-unpaid-overtime-4b4ce9571185

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211013-how-working-unpaid-hours-became-part-of-the-job

    Unpaid invoices
    https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/nearly-half-of-creative-freelancers-regularly-work-unpaid-hours-report

    https://www.ibtimes.com.au/spacexai-570-million-claim-ihra-financial-turmoil-1873420

    Unpaid marketing
    https://www.businessinsider.com/cision-faces-collective-action-lawsuit-alleging-unpaid-overtime-2021-5

    Wage theft
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/wage-theft-us-workers-employees

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    #22

    @Npars01 @bagder Someone really needs to sue him.

    In #Germany, those who have substantial overdue payments may even apply for "Creditor Insolvency" as the non-payment is a clear indicator of insolvency (Why wouldn't a honest merchant pay?).

    - It's also a felony to commit to a contract knowing one cannot fulfill financial obligations of it at time of signature… (Contractual Entrance Fraud)…

    #NotLegalAdvice & #NotFinancialAdvice OFC!

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    • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

      As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

      So I decline.

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      #23
      Fair enough, considering you'd end up in the negatives on the trade
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      • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

        As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

        So I decline.

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        #24

        @bagder You have to understand, the EU has to give so many billions as subsidies to fossil companies, it has nothing left for volunteers.

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        • eloy@hsnl.socialE eloy@hsnl.social

          @bagder I think people inviting people just assume everyone has an employer that covers your salary during those days and you can reimburse travel costs :')

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          #25

          @eloy @bagder conferences also do this *constantly*, also with the ticket prices. it's a pet peeve of mine, it excludes *so many* people

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          • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

            As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

            So I decline.

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            #26

            @bagder meanwhile Europe recently announced unlocking 10B€ for AI ressources...
            What a disappointment...

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            • renchap@oisaur.comR renchap@oisaur.com

              @bagder I usually ask for the details on travel and accommodation instead of outright refusing, and I was surprised to get it covered several times!

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              #27

              @renchap @bagder honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the default strategy for a majority of conference organisers: "only offer travel support if asked"

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              • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                So I decline.

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                #28

                @bagder same. I can't do everything for free

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                • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                  As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                  So I decline.

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                  #29

                  @bagder Brussel bureaucrats sabotaging Open Source from day one.
                  It's corruption.

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                  • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                    As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                    So I decline.

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                    #30

                    @bagder this is the model for 50%+ academic people. Peer review, research, write papers, attend conferences, but mostly get no or very little financial support. This is very common.

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                    • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                      As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                      So I decline.

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                      #31

                      @bagder I was always under the impression that if a company or organization invites you, that they cover at least the travel and lodging.

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                      • smallsees@social.dropbear.xyzS smallsees@social.dropbear.xyz

                        @bagder the issue being is they'll get only voices of people backed by money; so certain corporations with certain interests.

                        That's not an issue for you to solve but I wonder if the organisers have thought of it?

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                        #32

                        @smallsees @bagder I have repeatedly pointed it out to them, if it's the event I'm thinking of.

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                        • stragu@mastodon.indie.hostS stragu@mastodon.indie.host

                          @renchap @bagder honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the default strategy for a majority of conference organisers: "only offer travel support if asked"

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                          #33

                          @stragu @renchap it is. I decline quite a lot of conference speaking invitations as well..

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