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"when did Star Trek get woke??"

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  • cjust@infosec.exchangeC cjust@infosec.exchange

    @Lana

    a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps

    I think that one thing missing from this commentary is: yes, this is shortly after the Japanese internment camps.

    With the character portrayed by an actor who was actually detained in one of these camps!

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    #52

    @cjust @Lana

    Came here to say that.

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    • 47363@norden.social4 47363@norden.social

      @Lana

      Sorry to ask, but what is a "shirt skirt"?
      A typo, or is/was it a thing?

      (Stoopid forrinner here, my dictionary doesn't help, i and o sit next to each other on the keyboard, but maybe it's just something I haven't come across yet… 🫣 😟)

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      #53

      @47363 @Lana

      Technically, they are mini-dresses, not skirts.

      But then, the Star Trek art department actually calls them "skants" -- at least for the Next Generation (which also has men wearing them, at least in the 1st season, on extras in the background). Pretty sure they made this name up, as I haven't heard it anywhere else. But that makes it very specific, so that's cool.

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      • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

        "when did Star Trek get woke??"

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

        Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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        #54

        @Lana Pithy comebacks aside, I always just love reading these synopses of Star Trek because they make me so happy. I love what Star Trek was and what it stood for.

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        • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

          "when did Star Trek get woke??"

          In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

          In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

          In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

          Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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          #55

          @Lana wish it still was "woke" the newer shows are more conservative and more pro war and imperialism then the 90's shows by far its not close

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          • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

            "when did Star Trek get woke??"

            In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

            In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

            In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

            Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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            #56

            @Lana #StarTrek TOS was also first *scripted* interracial kiss on Television when Kirk kissed Uhura. They also shot the scene without it in case, but managed to push it through. It was truly pushing the boundaries of the time.

            "woke" is a MAGA culture war term to denote respect of human rights and education. It is astounding that the USA was brainwashed into thinking woke was bad.

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            • 47363@norden.social4 47363@norden.social

              @Lana

              Sorry to ask, but what is a "shirt skirt"?
              A typo, or is/was it a thing?

              (Stoopid forrinner here, my dictionary doesn't help, i and o sit next to each other on the keyboard, but maybe it's just something I haven't come across yet… 🫣 😟)

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              #57

              @47363 typo. I meant short skirt.

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              • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                #58

                @Lana yes; love it

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                • savanni@hachyderm.ioS savanni@hachyderm.io

                  @Lana what is the foundation of queer coding? If I went back to watch that first episode, what would I be looking for?

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                  #59

                  @savanni Sulu. Just...all of Sulu.

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                  • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                    "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                    Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                    #60

                    @Lana

                    Star Trek episodes are morality plays

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                    • mrencyclopedia@retro.pizzaM mrencyclopedia@retro.pizza

                      @47363 @Lana I suspect it's a typo for "short skirt" but yeah it can be a shirt skirt too

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                      #61

                      @mrencyclopedia @47363 @Lana The official term for them in show canon is "skant"

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                      • caseyl@mastodon.nzC caseyl@mastodon.nz

                        @Lana @roknrol

                        IIRC, they added Chekov as a "heartthrob" in order to appeal to teenage girls

                        In the mid-60s, the wild success of theBeatles, the Monkees, and even The Man From Uncle (bc Ilya) etc., were showing that teenage girls were an important and profitable demographic - and those teenage girls liked attractive young guys who had just a touch of an exotic/dangerous air about them.

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                        #62

                        @CaseyL @Lana @roknrol

                        May also be why they added a single man to the space family in "Lost In Space." Certainly the girl across the street was hot for him.

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                        • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                          "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                          In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                          In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                          In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                          Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                          #63

                          @Lana i was with you up to the queer coding. care to flesh that out?

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                          • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                            @Lana i was with you up to the queer coding. care to flesh that out?

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                            #64

                            @fishidwardrobe

                            Dax.

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                            • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                              @savanni Sulu. Just...all of Sulu.

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                              #65

                              @Lana Huh! I totally did not get that!

                              (from TOS, anyway. The JJ Abrams version makes it very explicit when we see his husband and daughter.)

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                              • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                                "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                                Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                                #66

                                @Lana 👍💯🖖

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                                • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                                  "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                                  Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                                  #67

                                  @Lana Yes! Yes! Yes! Couldn't have written this nearly so well, thanks!

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