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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    @malte

    "The main question I ask people is whether they are willing to live within the planetary boundaries"

    Great way to frame it! Aside from being horrified at Denmark's early date in the Country Overshoot statistics, I've never asked myself that question in that way, specifically examining my individual overshoot. I'm an 'almost' everything: 'almost' never fly, except for family matters; 'almost' don't eat meat, expect for chicken once a week, etc. I must think about my own Overshoot stats.

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    @CiaraNi I'm an almost everything too. As for food, the medical journal The Lancet published a great report with how to eat within the planetary boundaries, its called Planetary Health Diet. And it is very much a "sometimes" diet!

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    • alf149@social.data.coopA alf149@social.data.coop

      @CiaraNi @malte

      Have you heard https://domino-effekten.dk/ (in danish)

      And a question, who defines planetary boundaries?

      I agree with you, but a little concerned about who defines the rules.

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      @alf149 We define how much suffering we are willing to live with. I assume you've heard of the boundaries 1,5 degrees and so on. That's planetary boundaries. See here e.g. "This budget results in approximately 0.95 tCO2 per capita when given a population of 7.3 billion." Tian, P., Zhong, H., Chen, X., Feng, K., Sun, L., Zhang, N., ... & Hubacek, K. (2024). Keeping the global consumption within the planetary boundaries. Nature, 635(8039), 625-630. @CiaraNi

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      • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

        @CiaraNi I'm an almost everything too. As for food, the medical journal The Lancet published a great report with how to eat within the planetary boundaries, its called Planetary Health Diet. And it is very much a "sometimes" diet!

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        #140

        @malte

        "Planetary Health Diet. And it is very much a "sometimes" diet!"

        That's really encouraging! I've been conscious of the fact that (except for never driving), I've done nothing fully and all-out. Like, I'm not vegan. I've only 'almost' changed different behaviours. It's good to know even the experts see value in 'sometimes' and 'almost' in a climate-change context.

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        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

          @malte

          "Planetary Health Diet. And it is very much a "sometimes" diet!"

          That's really encouraging! I've been conscious of the fact that (except for never driving), I've done nothing fully and all-out. Like, I'm not vegan. I've only 'almost' changed different behaviours. It's good to know even the experts see value in 'sometimes' and 'almost' in a climate-change context.

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          @CiaraNi I think its really the way to go on most things in this issue! It solves a lot of problems. Proportions is what matters in these boundaries. One challenge then is that proportions at this scale are difficult to understand for the human mind. With "sometimes", you have to be very specific for it to not become a false story you tell yourself.

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          • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

            @CiaraNi I think its really the way to go on most things in this issue! It solves a lot of problems. Proportions is what matters in these boundaries. One challenge then is that proportions at this scale are difficult to understand for the human mind. With "sometimes", you have to be very specific for it to not become a false story you tell yourself.

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            #142

            @malte

            "With "sometimes", you have to be very specific for it to not become a false story you tell yourself."

            Yes, absolutely.

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            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

              @alf149 Jeg havde slet ikke hørt om Domino-effekten. Efter et første kvik-kig, har jeg straks abonneret på den. Det lyder som en interessant pendant til Lost Terminal. Tak fordi du delte tippet og navnet.

              @malte

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              @CiaraNi @alf149 @malte

              Det er
              https://www.klimajournalisterne.dk/
              der har lavet den og jeg synes også den er god. Har forsøgt at promovere den, men det er jo et arbejde i sig selv.

              De har også lavet "Det vi burde tale om" som også er en anbefaling værd (den er nævnt på deres side)

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              • folfdk@helvede.netF folfdk@helvede.net

                @CiaraNi @alf149 @malte

                Det er
                https://www.klimajournalisterne.dk/
                der har lavet den og jeg synes også den er god. Har forsøgt at promovere den, men det er jo et arbejde i sig selv.

                De har også lavet "Det vi burde tale om" som også er en anbefaling værd (den er nævnt på deres side)

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                @folfdk Det lyder som om, at klimajournalisterne er i gang med vigtigt og godt arbejde - tak for 'Det vi burde tale om' tippet også.

                @alf149 @malte

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                • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                  @alf149 We define how much suffering we are willing to live with. I assume you've heard of the boundaries 1,5 degrees and so on. That's planetary boundaries. See here e.g. "This budget results in approximately 0.95 tCO2 per capita when given a population of 7.3 billion." Tian, P., Zhong, H., Chen, X., Feng, K., Sun, L., Zhang, N., ... & Hubacek, K. (2024). Keeping the global consumption within the planetary boundaries. Nature, 635(8039), 625-630. @CiaraNi

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                  @malte @CiaraNi but can the rich purchase the quota from the les rich? Like with co2.

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                  • alf149@social.data.coopA alf149@social.data.coop

                    @malte @CiaraNi but can the rich purchase the quota from the les rich? Like with co2.

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                    @alf149 I am wary of finding a problem for every potential solution.The situation feels too critical, as does the current level of collective non-action.

                    @malte

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                    • alf149@social.data.coopA alf149@social.data.coop

                      @malte @CiaraNi but can the rich purchase the quota from the les rich? Like with co2.

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                      #147

                      @alf149 No. It is not a quota that's on the market. You just got one answer to your question and immediately a new problem seems to arise. Is the idea of boundaries for our use of planetary resources provoking to you? @CiaraNi

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                      • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                        @alf149 No. It is not a quota that's on the market. You just got one answer to your question and immediately a new problem seems to arise. Is the idea of boundaries for our use of planetary resources provoking to you? @CiaraNi

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                        #148

                        @malte @CiaraNi
                        I don’t think I understood the answer then.
                        I didn’t mean to throw a new question.

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