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  • stepheneb@ruby.socialS stepheneb@ruby.social

    @inthehands

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    #29

    @stepheneb @inthehands I never liked, and never listened to, the NRA.

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    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

      @amyshark

      I fully understand every single detail of this, and I do not care. The point of these calls isn’t really to figure out for them how to navigate the logistics and the politics; that is literally their job. The point is to make every senator lie awake sleepless every single night wondering how they can possibly do more to stop ICE, even if they can’t. That’s the position we’re in here in Minneapolis, and I don’t want any elected official to feel one drop more comfort than we’re feeling right now.

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      #30

      @inthehands @amyshark Exactly this. 💯
      The Anschluss is now, we're being invaded. You either stand up and be counted, or you hide away and hope they pay you no notice.

      If you're an elected politician READ: Henry David Thoreau's : *Civil Disobedience*

      `Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight.`

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      • amyshark@mastodon.scotA amyshark@mastodon.scot

        @inthehands I don’t want platitudes. I want action. Klobuchar disgusts me. She can’t even bring herself to say that ICE should be abolished. I want a real leader to stand up somewhere, unite the resistance, and get stuff done. This is beyond normal times and normal niceties like voting against extra funding to DHS.

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        #31

        @amyshark @inthehands the situation we're in requires many avenues of resistance, and none of them are completely without value. Discouraging people from calling their senators doesn't inherently encourage them to do other things that might work a little better. Everyone is at a different stage of growth out of the capitalist hell we were raised in, and I imagine finding out that their call did nothing will give people better ideas more than giving up before they even try it will

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        • carpetbomberz@mastodon.onlineC carpetbomberz@mastodon.online

          @inthehands @amyshark Exactly this. 💯
          The Anschluss is now, we're being invaded. You either stand up and be counted, or you hide away and hope they pay you no notice.

          If you're an elected politician READ: Henry David Thoreau's : *Civil Disobedience*

          `Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight.`

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          #32

          @inthehands @amyshark
          AKA DO SOMETHING!
          Be a helper

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          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

            Pressure on Senators •is working•. Previously head-in-sand centrist Senators are actually coming out to vote against ICE funding. Their positions are still weak and insufficient, and more need to cave to pressure — but they are visibly buckling.

            Again, we should not and must not wait on elected officials to save us — they will not — but we can and should deploy pressure on them as a strategic tool in moments when that can be useful.

            Now is such a moment. KEEP IT UP.

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            #33

            @inthehands
            Hasn’t hurt that ICE pissed off the NRA

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            • stepheneb@ruby.socialS stepheneb@ruby.social

              @inthehands

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              #34

              @stepheneb @inthehands

              This is gaslighting on the part of the NRA.

              Alex Preti approached law enforcement with a legally owned and carried gun, presenting zero threat, and was murdered by federal agents, who now are being shielded by DHS, DoJ, and the President of the US, all of whom are spawning imaginary legal justifications for the act of murder they collectively committed.

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              • amyshark@mastodon.scotA amyshark@mastodon.scot

                @samiamsam @inthehands

                I said nothing of the kind. I’ve been crocheting frog hats for PDX protests. I’m a law prof helping my students brainstorm & process.

                My point is not to waste time on dead avenues & false hopes. Schumer & Jeffries aren’t answers. Congress isn’t the solution. We need a national leader - a modern John Lewis, MLK, whoever - & national strikes to do economic damage & start bringing attention to our voices.

                But, thanks for your kind response.

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                #35

                @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                Republican billionaires funded a multi-front war on democracy.

                Courts. Congress. Disinformation. Sabotaging education. Book bans. Defunding higher education. Decades of Fox News blasting away into the minds of soldiers on military bases.

                An equally broad response is required to counteract it.

                A counterinsurgency needs guerilla tactics beyond simply voting.

                Get creative. A big one is collecting evidence for war crimes trials. DNA. Payroll records. ID'S.

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                • sunny@universeodon.comS sunny@universeodon.com

                  @stepheneb @inthehands

                  This is gaslighting on the part of the NRA.

                  Alex Preti approached law enforcement with a legally owned and carried gun, presenting zero threat, and was murdered by federal agents, who now are being shielded by DHS, DoJ, and the President of the US, all of whom are spawning imaginary legal justifications for the act of murder they collectively committed.

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                  #36

                  @Sunny

                  Umm … everybody who watched the videos knows Alex never touched his gun.

                  NRA wrote:
                  “This sentiment from the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California is dangerous and wrong.
                  Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens.”

                  Which part is the gaslighting?

                  @inthehands

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                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                    Pressure on Senators •is working•. Previously head-in-sand centrist Senators are actually coming out to vote against ICE funding. Their positions are still weak and insufficient, and more need to cave to pressure — but they are visibly buckling.

                    Again, we should not and must not wait on elected officials to save us — they will not — but we can and should deploy pressure on them as a strategic tool in moments when that can be useful.

                    Now is such a moment. KEEP IT UP.

                    1/

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                    #37

                    @inthehands

                    “For the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. They may allow us to temporarily beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change. Racism and homophobia are real conditions of all our lives in this place and time. I urge each one of us here to reach down into that deep place of knowledge inside herself and touch that terror and loathing of any difference that lives here. See whose face it wears. Then the personal as the political can begin to illuminate all our choices.” -- Audre Lorde

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                    • endicottauthor@mastodon.socialE endicottauthor@mastodon.social

                      @stepheneb @inthehands I never liked, and never listened to, the NRA.

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                      #38

                      @EndicottAuthor

                      Yes. And …??

                      @inthehands

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                      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                        @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                        Republican billionaires funded a multi-front war on democracy.

                        Courts. Congress. Disinformation. Sabotaging education. Book bans. Defunding higher education. Decades of Fox News blasting away into the minds of soldiers on military bases.

                        An equally broad response is required to counteract it.

                        A counterinsurgency needs guerilla tactics beyond simply voting.

                        Get creative. A big one is collecting evidence for war crimes trials. DNA. Payroll records. ID'S.

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                        #39

                        @Npars01 @samiamsam @inthehands

                        Education is huge. Everyone must understand basic civics & what rights they do/not have in different circumstances. Free speech, assembly, etc. aren’t unlimited- recognize when you need a permit or a time/place/manner/content restriction being imposed could be genuine. Know your 4th, 5th, & 6th Am rights & how to invoke them. Document. Everything. Citizen journalism is essential as are quick drops before spoliation.

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                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                          I don’t actually expect centrist Senators to do this. I mean… come on. But a bunch of these noodle-spined tools think politics means splitting the difference between opposing positions, so I’m just giving them an opposing position that actually packs a punch before they water it down. (“Don’t negotiate against yourself. Ask for what you want.”)

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                          #40

                          @inthehands

                          "If you want a string quartet, ask for a brass band."

                          ~My Mama

                          (Ask for more so in compromise you get what you want.)

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                          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                            I don’t actually expect centrist Senators to do this. I mean… come on. But a bunch of these noodle-spined tools think politics means splitting the difference between opposing positions, so I’m just giving them an opposing position that actually packs a punch before they water it down. (“Don’t negotiate against yourself. Ask for what you want.”)

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                            #41

                            @inthehands Yeah, I've sent my reps another message, citing various abuses by the DHS over the years, and saying that at this point the entire department needs to be closed, the homeland security act repealed completely, and anything short of that should be considered an act of treason, because it's a fundamentally antidemocratic department.

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                            • amyshark@mastodon.scotA amyshark@mastodon.scot

                              @Npars01 @samiamsam @inthehands

                              Education is huge. Everyone must understand basic civics & what rights they do/not have in different circumstances. Free speech, assembly, etc. aren’t unlimited- recognize when you need a permit or a time/place/manner/content restriction being imposed could be genuine. Know your 4th, 5th, & 6th Am rights & how to invoke them. Document. Everything. Citizen journalism is essential as are quick drops before spoliation.

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                              #42

                              @Npars01 @samiamsam @inthehands

                              In addition to the legal risks of being a bystander, have a plan to protect your data and that of fellow protesters. Consider using a burner phone and understanding what other data tracking exposure precautions you can take in case you are in a situation like Red Jacket.

                              https://theconversation.com/filming-ice-is-legal-but-exposes-you-to-digital-tracking-heres-how-to-minimize-the-risk-273566

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                              • stepheneb@ruby.socialS stepheneb@ruby.social

                                @Sunny

                                Umm … everybody who watched the videos knows Alex never touched his gun.

                                NRA wrote:
                                “This sentiment from the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California is dangerous and wrong.
                                Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens.”

                                Which part is the gaslighting?

                                @inthehands

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                                #43

                                @stepheneb

                                I think @Sunny just misread the post

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                                • carpetbomberz@mastodon.onlineC carpetbomberz@mastodon.online

                                  @inthehands @amyshark Exactly this. 💯
                                  The Anschluss is now, we're being invaded. You either stand up and be counted, or you hide away and hope they pay you no notice.

                                  If you're an elected politician READ: Henry David Thoreau's : *Civil Disobedience*

                                  `Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight.`

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                                  #44

                                  @carpetbomberz @inthehands

                                  Read Sebastian Haffner’s “Defying Hitler.” We’re past the point our government can help us. Civil Disobedience assumes a functioning representative democracy. This administration has dismantled too many agencies for citizens to seek redress for constitutionally protected harms, disregarded the judiciary and legislative branch, and our representatives are not acting based on our will but in their self-interest. We have to help ourselves.

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                                  • slimhazard@mastodon.worldS slimhazard@mastodon.world

                                    @inthehands I would add: anyone who was employed by ICE during either Trump administration is permanently disqualified from employment by the federal government. Any state or local government or private company in the US that employs a former ICE employee will have any federal funding reduced to zero.

                                    We need to *punish* the fascists, by prosecuting the criminals, but also by inflicting harm on anyone who had anything to do with them. Let them be impoverished, and shunned.

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                                    #45

                                    @slimhazard @inthehands

                                    #uspol #RemoveTrumpAdministration #JudgementDayWillCome for #Trump #StephenMiller #PamBondi #KristiNoem #ICE #BorderPatrol #GregoryBovino #KashPatel #PeteHegseth

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                                    • slimhazard@mastodon.worldS slimhazard@mastodon.world

                                      @inthehands I would add: anyone who was employed by ICE during either Trump administration is permanently disqualified from employment by the federal government. Any state or local government or private company in the US that employs a former ICE employee will have any federal funding reduced to zero.

                                      We need to *punish* the fascists, by prosecuting the criminals, but also by inflicting harm on anyone who had anything to do with them. Let them be impoverished, and shunned.

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                                      #46

                                      @slimhazard @inthehands no access to banking, loans, credit cards, pensions or any government functions, if they hate democracy so much they can fuck off & live somewhere more to their liking, they should never be able to avail themselves of all of the things that democracy has given them...

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                                      • amyshark@mastodon.scotA amyshark@mastodon.scot

                                        @carpetbomberz @inthehands

                                        Read Sebastian Haffner’s “Defying Hitler.” We’re past the point our government can help us. Civil Disobedience assumes a functioning representative democracy. This administration has dismantled too many agencies for citizens to seek redress for constitutionally protected harms, disregarded the judiciary and legislative branch, and our representatives are not acting based on our will but in their self-interest. We have to help ourselves.

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                                        #47

                                        @amyshark @carpetbomberz @inthehands All these struggles by all these avenues and more. There are lots of us: “all of the above” is possible.

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                                        • vonskinnback@mastodon.socialV vonskinnback@mastodon.social

                                          @slimhazard @inthehands no access to banking, loans, credit cards, pensions or any government functions, if they hate democracy so much they can fuck off & live somewhere more to their liking, they should never be able to avail themselves of all of the things that democracy has given them...

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                                          #48

                                          @Vonskinnback as @inthehands has pointed out, these are the moderate solutions. My more radical version would be to exile them to North Korea. If they want to grovel before a preposterous dictator, let them go do that. Put them on a boat off the North Korean coast, let it drift towards the shore, good bye and good riddance.

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