The fight about Trump's name on the Kennedy center bores me to death.
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@futurebird He's testing limits, and the name coming down offered a nice distraction from his other bullshit? Notice they still haven't followed the law on releasing the Epstein files. That's the crime he's actually trying to protect against.
Well maybe their solution will be to just cover it up and then there will be more fighting in the courts.
That makes sense to me in terms of how these people operate.
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But, to the point of force, right down to the "and then they would arrest you" can someone explain *why* the name came down? Why doesn't Trump just ignore the court?
The court orders the name must come down. Great. Very funny.
But why listen. Why don't we get "oh OK I'll take it down" but then nothing happens?
How does the power flow?
That seems. little important to me maybe.
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@futurebird I agree that this is an important question - because yes, if he could just do his usual "fuck you, try to stop me!" thing, he would have, which implies that he doesn't have the power to resist this court order.
- whic obviously begs the question: Where *does* his actual power end? Since lawsuits etc. keep stopping his initiatives, he's certainly not as powerful as he thinks & opposition should be delineating those borders & then hammering on them.
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@futurebird I agree that this is an important question - because yes, if he could just do his usual "fuck you, try to stop me!" thing, he would have, which implies that he doesn't have the power to resist this court order.
- whic obviously begs the question: Where *does* his actual power end? Since lawsuits etc. keep stopping his initiatives, he's certainly not as powerful as he thinks & opposition should be delineating those borders & then hammering on them.
A lot of people are despondent. Saying things like "he will cancel the election"
How exactly? Will he put a gun to Gov. Hochul of NY's head? (and at least 20 other governors?)
"he will do marshal law"
They tried that in MN. They don't have the man power to do it nationwide. They don't even have enough to take NYC, that's why ICE has not cracked down here like in MN.
Middle class people throwing fits works.
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A lot of people are despondent. Saying things like "he will cancel the election"
How exactly? Will he put a gun to Gov. Hochul of NY's head? (and at least 20 other governors?)
"he will do marshal law"
They tried that in MN. They don't have the man power to do it nationwide. They don't even have enough to take NYC, that's why ICE has not cracked down here like in MN.
Middle class people throwing fits works.
I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.
MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.
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But, to the point of force, right down to the "and then they would arrest you" can someone explain *why* the name came down? Why doesn't Trump just ignore the court?
The court orders the name must come down. Great. Very funny.
But why listen. Why don't we get "oh OK I'll take it down" but then nothing happens?
How does the power flow?
That seems. little important to me maybe.
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@futurebird As I understand it, he is trying to appeal it (And tried to get a TRO to prevent it from being taken down until the appeal failed, I think?), so *might* be trying to "Steelman" their case by obliging this one time?
Either that, or the people who had put it physically up are under risk of contempt of court (Or the justice department is, given that they are based on the ICE cases they keep losing.).
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I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.
MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.
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I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.
MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.
I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.
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I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.
I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)
This is how a lot of power works.
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I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)
This is how a lot of power works.
Yup. You can only make people do something if you go through the hassle of actually making them. It's the weakness of all totalitarian systems. They end up devoting all their energy on internal control and collapse against the pressure of the outside world.
Free states always defeat slave states.
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I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)
This is how a lot of power works.
The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.
Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.
I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.
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Yup. You can only make people do something if you go through the hassle of actually making them. It's the weakness of all totalitarian systems. They end up devoting all their energy on internal control and collapse against the pressure of the outside world.
Free states always defeat slave states.
@Uair @futurebird This is true. I've found that through the study of history, economies of scale that use slavery have predicatably worse overall outcomes.
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The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.
Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.
I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.
It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
Source of quote:
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I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)
This is how a lot of power works.
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It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
Source of quote:
The fascists have an instinct for this. But I think it's something that some of us fighting them need to teach ourselves and teach each other.
Rules and systems are created by the people that follow them. An election happens because people show up to vote and expect their votes to be counted. To stop the election you'd need to stop all of those people from doing that. Physically stop. It would be very messy and hard.
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The fascists have an instinct for this. But I think it's something that some of us fighting them need to teach ourselves and teach each other.
Rules and systems are created by the people that follow them. An election happens because people show up to vote and expect their votes to be counted. To stop the election you'd need to stop all of those people from doing that. Physically stop. It would be very messy and hard.
Apple and Google did not need to change it to "The Gulf of America" they could have just said "oh OK I understand it's called that now" and done nothing.
But they wanted to earn favor instead and thought the public would care less than the government.
Just don't listen. Are you in their army? Do you take their orders? Do you shine their boots?
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The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.
Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.
I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.
We don't call them that here in Ontario but we have them all along the freeways and in parks in Toronto and Montreal, and now I am wondering how 'official' they actually are?
(Don't worry random rogue sign-maker if they aren't official. Secret is safe with me lol)
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We don't call them that here in Ontario but we have them all along the freeways and in parks in Toronto and Montreal, and now I am wondering how 'official' they actually are?
(Don't worry random rogue sign-maker if they aren't official. Secret is safe with me lol)
The sign makes it "official"
This sign cost $18
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