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  3. There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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    #14

    @futurebird

    They legislated corporations being agents, to allow crime in a corporation suit.

    I'm sure our legislators are being lobbied to do the same for LLMs. The lack of prosecution so far confirms this.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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      #15

      @futurebird
      My 32 yo bro uses it as a toy. To make funny photos and make it say funny things about his friends. The photos are pretty hilarious tbh so i get the appeal of playing, but i know too much (about the social & environmental affects, not the tech) to use it. He doesn't use it for any kind of business or educational purpose. So theres a contingent of folks who "like" AI but still don't take it seriously.

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      • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

        @futurebird

        My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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        #16

        @rgulick @futurebird I saw someone else mention that too, maybe a year or so ago.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

          Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

          The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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          #17

          @futurebird LOL. So true. This old person understands tech a lot better than most... And I loathe AI.

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          • apbblue@thepit.socialA apbblue@thepit.social

            @futurebird I've never been "hip and with it." So why start now? 😂

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            #18

            @APBBlue @futurebird Dunno. Maybe as some sort of penance? Have you done anything needing one?

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            • timtfj@mastodon.socialT timtfj@mastodon.social

              @APBBlue @futurebird Dunno. Maybe as some sort of penance? Have you done anything needing one?

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              #19

              @timtfj @futurebird probably

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              • glecharles@gardenstate.socialG glecharles@gardenstate.social

                @futurebird "do crime in a computer suit" 😂🔥

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                #20

                @glecharles @futurebird

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                  Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                  The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                  #21

                  @futurebird
                  "do crime in a computer suit" 😆

                  *chef's kiss*

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                  • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

                    @futurebird

                    My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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                    #22

                    @rgulick @futurebird I've heard my daughter's friends use "that's AI" to mean the thing someone asserted is not true - that they're repeating unreliable bullshit.

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                    • dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.orgD dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @rgulick @futurebird I've heard my daughter's friends use "that's AI" to mean the thing someone asserted is not true - that they're repeating unreliable bullshit.

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                      #23

                      @dragonfrog @rgulick

                      Yeah my students do this.

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                        Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                        The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                        #24

                        @futurebird yes, this. Gods, so much this.

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                        • idiran@livellosegreto.itI idiran@livellosegreto.it

                          @rgulick @futurebird My kid is 16, and whenever he spots something ai-made his disgust is real.

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                          #25

                          @idiran @rgulick @futurebird I'm 45, and every time I see something made by "AI" I'm disgusted too.

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                            Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                            The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                            #26

                            @futurebird I can attest to the fact there are many software developers who understand how it works well enough and are in fact big fans of LLMs, at least for software development purposes. FWIW though I don't know of any of those who are fans of it outside of that realm

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                            • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

                              @futurebird

                              My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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                              #27

                              @rgulick @futurebird My daughters do the same. It's widely used slang now for anything crappy.

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                              • richpuchalsky@mastodon.socialR richpuchalsky@mastodon.social

                                @futurebird

                                It's not really true that "the most tech" people have the harshest words for it. Most tech people, including the tech influencers, have no real idea how technology works and are variously enthused by AI.

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                                #28

                                @richpuchalsky @futurebird AFAIK on average, programmers are against LLMs, though media bias can make it feel the opposite (just as the media was full of people saying cryptocurrency/blockchain/NFTs were the future, even though everyone I knew personally figured they weren't useful for anything). On the votes I'm aware of, most programmers are against LLMs.

                                For large open-source projects, I think there's also the problem of wanting to compromise with corporate interests and the handful of long-time contributors that want to use LLMs. (Plus the bit where many companies are forcing employees to use LLMs, when LLM use has been described as addictive.)

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                                • snowfox@tech.lgbtS snowfox@tech.lgbt

                                  @richpuchalsky @futurebird AFAIK on average, programmers are against LLMs, though media bias can make it feel the opposite (just as the media was full of people saying cryptocurrency/blockchain/NFTs were the future, even though everyone I knew personally figured they weren't useful for anything). On the votes I'm aware of, most programmers are against LLMs.

                                  For large open-source projects, I think there's also the problem of wanting to compromise with corporate interests and the handful of long-time contributors that want to use LLMs. (Plus the bit where many companies are forcing employees to use LLMs, when LLM use has been described as addictive.)

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                                  #29

                                  @snowfox @richpuchalsky

                                  Another issue is that in media they want a two min. long story about "AI" and that's enough time to say "it's amazing and the future" or "it's bad, don't bother with it." and not much else.

                                  But, I like technology and I want to talk for hours and hours! Nobody wants to hear that. So, gun to the head? What is the verdict?

                                  "Bad"

                                  I guess. Yeah. Just let it go.

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                    #30

                                    @futurebird People who use AI need to be pelted with old fruit.

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                      #31

                                      @futurebird I‘m as hip and with it as the likes of Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron are … 😏

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                        Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                        The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                        #32

                                        @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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                                        • apbblue@thepit.socialA apbblue@thepit.social

                                          @timtfj @futurebird probably

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                                          #33

                                          @APBBlue @futurebird I think you'll be OK just doing some small good deed instead. Helping a bluebottle find the huge and glaringly obvious opening round the window so it can finally stop buzzing around your house, say.

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