Trump puts a visa ban on four EU civil servants who have worked on The Digital Services Act, which is the law by which Elon Musk is fined.
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Trump puts a visa ban on four EU civil servants who have worked on The Digital Services Act, which is the law by which Elon Musk is fined.
I say, it is time for a tit for tat — ban Musk and Trump from entering the EU until this visa ban is lifted.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-bans-ex-eu-commissioner-others-over-social-media-rules/a-75291190
Via @hadon
@randahl @hadon When tit = personal persecution using the power of government, no actually legitimate government should respond with tat - all we'd be doing is play the game dictated by them.
The correct response is something like "This is a deliberate state act of hostility & the US will be considered a foreign aggressor until proven otherwise", placing appropriate sanctions upon the nation as a whole, e.g. expulsion of envoys & military, strict regulation or elimination on US business etc.
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@randahl @hadon When tit = personal persecution using the power of government, no actually legitimate government should respond with tat - all we'd be doing is play the game dictated by them.
The correct response is something like "This is a deliberate state act of hostility & the US will be considered a foreign aggressor until proven otherwise", placing appropriate sanctions upon the nation as a whole, e.g. expulsion of envoys & military, strict regulation or elimination on US business etc.
@jwcph
First of all, this must have consequences, or it will repeat and expand.Second, Trump must care about the consequences. He does not care about America or any person but himself, but he needs some of them from time to time. So find the people he needs and block their shopping trip to Milan, their cottage in Ireland or whatever. And make plans for the next steps if he escalates.
And since this seems to be a lot about Elon, do the samebfor him.
@randahl @hadon -
@randahl @hadon When tit = personal persecution using the power of government, no actually legitimate government should respond with tat - all we'd be doing is play the game dictated by them.
The correct response is something like "This is a deliberate state act of hostility & the US will be considered a foreign aggressor until proven otherwise", placing appropriate sanctions upon the nation as a whole, e.g. expulsion of envoys & military, strict regulation or elimination on US business etc.
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@johnlogic @randahl @hadon - and also, lift bans on reverse-engineering US tech & let European vendors take them apart, repair them, copy them...
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@jwcph
First of all, this must have consequences, or it will repeat and expand.Second, Trump must care about the consequences. He does not care about America or any person but himself, but he needs some of them from time to time. So find the people he needs and block their shopping trip to Milan, their cottage in Ireland or whatever. And make plans for the next steps if he escalates.
And since this seems to be a lot about Elon, do the samebfor him.
@randahl @hadonWell, they are trying to intimidate us, that's all, so the best consequences would be not to cede, not one millimeter
Nope, the EU is not afraid; we'll continue defending our regulations, our values, ideas and most of all our unity and freedom. -
@johnlogic @jwcph @randahl
Or without even increasing taxes, inform our citizens of the situation so that out of their own they won't buy Tesla (as it happened a few months ago ) -
Well, they are trying to intimidate us, that's all, so the best consequences would be not to cede, not one millimeter
Nope, the EU is not afraid; we'll continue defending our regulations, our values, ideas and most of all our unity and freedom.@hadon @notsoloud @randahl Especially since there really isn't anything to be afraid of - not just because they're incompetent, but also because sure, it will be inconvenient for the world to re-arrange itself to exclude the US, but impossible? Not even close. It can definitely be done & in the long run there will be no significant cost; whatever value we ever got from there, we will get from elsewhere. Think of it as an investment.
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@johnlogic @jwcph @randahl
Or without even increasing taxes, inform our citizens of the situation so that out of their own they won't buy Tesla (as it happened a few months ago )@hadon @johnlogic @randahl You seem to like individualist solutions to collective problems, which is both funny considering that handle & also not how anything works.
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@johnlogic @randahl @hadon - and also, lift bans on reverse-engineering US tech & let European vendors take them apart, repair them, copy them...
... Chinese may be doing that already, don't they?
I think we don't even need that. I mean, we don't need to copy anyone, we have enough brainpower in EU for innovation. -
... Chinese may be doing that already, don't they?
I think we don't even need that. I mean, we don't need to copy anyone, we have enough brainpower in EU for innovation.Of course competitors will take apart each other's products to see what works and what they could do better. (Tesla's door latches and turn signal switches should make people cringe.)
But another thing I've been seeing lately is that other car makers have been setting up offices in Tesla's turf (Silicon Valley) and competing for employees, perhaps even dismantling Tesla's organization.
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Of course competitors will take apart each other's products to see what works and what they could do better. (Tesla's door latches and turn signal switches should make people cringe.)
But another thing I've been seeing lately is that other car makers have been setting up offices in Tesla's turf (Silicon Valley) and competing for employees, perhaps even dismantling Tesla's organization.
@johnlogic @hadon @randahl - except by the laws American billionaires have bought, none of that is legal; taking a Tesla apart is a felony under DMCA & every single US corp has a bunch of clauses in their employee contracts forbidding them from working for competitors...
